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Out of Spite, Out of Mind

Magic 2.0, Book 5
Written by: Scott Meyer
Narrated by: Luke Daniels
Length: 7 hrs and 34 mins
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Publisher's Summary

When you discover the world is a computer program, and you figure out that by altering the code you can time travel and perform acts that seem like magic, what can possibly go wrong?

Pretty much everything.

Just ask Brit, who has jumped around in time with such abandon that she has to coexist with multiple versions of herself. Now, Brit the Elder finds that her memories don't match Brit the Younger's. And there's the small matter of a glitch that's making Brit the Elder's body fritz out. Brit the Elder's ex-boyfriend Phillip wants to help her, but he'll have to keep it secret from his current girlfriend, Brit the Younger, who can't stand her future self.

Meanwhile, Martin is trying to protect Phillip from a relentless attacker he somehow hasn't noticed; Gwen is angry because Martin accidentally proposed to her; Gary tries to help the less fortunate, with predictably disastrous results; and an old nemesis might have to be the one to save them all.

In Out of Spite, Out of Mind, our fearless wizards discover the biggest glitch in their world's program may well be themselves.

©2018 Scott Meyer (P)2018 Audible Originals, LLC.

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Fun listen, fades in the end.

I really enjoyed this series and this book does not disappoint. It was a better story than the last book. The conept was very interesting a new than the previous novels but lost its shine quickly. Still the characters are their same which makes the book very entertaining and a joy to listen to.

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Showed potential but was disappointing

Luke Daniels drives how a pretty solid performance again but I had to slow the playback so every sentence didn't as rushed as they were, you could have added nearly an hour to the book if they'd just let the dialog hang in the air more appropriately.

In the end I thought this was much better the fight and flight but only by a close margin. The overall ending left me incredibly unsatisfied and displeased with the characters, it was like watching a car crash in slow motion. I understand that Scott wanted to get to this part of the series at some point but they way he chose to get there seemed unnecessarily cruel to some of the most well meaning of characters.
He attempted to leave the book on a happy ending but with the degree of cruelty that I knew would forever be unresolved I could not in any way feel joy at the end of this book.
He chose to tease another better story idea at the end as a cliffhanger, much like fight and flight. But unlike fight and flight where he did the same thing it at least didn't feel like the whole book was a set up for the idea of a better story.
If you have read the previous books I don't think I'd recommend this, you'd might be better off waiting for the next one and looking up a plot summary of this before reading.

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Another great installment

The band is back together solving problems that can really only arise if you're a time traveling, base-code of the universe altering, wizard that's seen too much sci-if, and is trying to balance all these things into lasting relationships with your peers and partner. It's more of the same really, but in the case of the Magic 2.0 series, that's fantastic! #Audible1

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A fun ride through time with the Wizards!

The team of Scott and Luke continue to entertain. Can't wait for the next one.

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A Small Rebound from the Fourth Book

I've enjoyed this series from the beginning. Martin and Philip's adventures almost always make me smile and the narration by Luke Daniels is always excellent. Unfortunately book four was simply just not up to standards of the first three. This entry I am glad to say rebounds from the fourth book, though it is still not as good as any of the first three books. Still, I am glad to have another entry in the series and happy to see the overall story progressing to something bigger.

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Entertaining continuation of the Magic 2.0 series

The Magic 2.0 series is an entertaining comic mashup of fantasy and science fiction, and Out of Spite, Out of Mind continues in the tradition of its preceding volumes. The author provides a light story with lots of funny banter between the characters, however, the overall tone of this story is a bit more "down" than the previous stories. #Audible1

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author has a skewed view on women

I've thought this before on the last books, even enough I live his stories, jokes, banter, plots, characters, etc the author tends to make the women in his books ridiculously unreasonable.

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fantastic book

Great story. these series need to be made into movies or a mini series. hope there are more to come.

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Wonderful idea pulled down by unlikable characters

This book is a quick trip with well know characters for those of you who have read the rest of the series, the previous two entries are mostly filler and character development whilst this is almost entirely sweeping changes to the standing narrative.
And while I do appreciate the desire to make meaningful changes to the status quo it is done at the expense of the characters like-ability and depth.
Easily the best example of this is Brit, her character is presented to the reader as if she is the best thing to ever happen to Phillip, but in none of the books are we really givin a reason to believe it or even like her very much. She is constantly angry, aloof or bitter. She doesn't solve any of her own problems or add any greater meaning to the story. She is more of an awful harpy than a person for the majority of her story. If you find yourself a fan of Brit before reading this book I would recommend to avoid it if you wish to keep that feeling. I can't imagine why you would be her entire character is a stereotype of the bitter feminist that is desperate to find a man to punish for his transgressions, this was the entire Roy and brit subplot in book 3, while Gwen is every annoying girlfriend trope rolled in to one unpleasant character. To be honest the story feels like a shallow attempt to make strong female characters that just creates two holyer than thou hags who make our two primary characters miserable. Martin and Phillip can do much better for themselves than the loose collection of character flaws that serve as this series' female leads.
Performance is excellent. Daniels is a treat to listen to.

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dues ex machina saves the day, several times

well this was the weakest book so far... and I really wish Scott realized Black people lived in England in the past...

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  • Keela
  • 2018-07-13

A nonsensically funny story becomes nonsense

By the end of the story, Scott Meyer has taken his goofy and likable cast of characters and reduced them to one-dimensional cardboard cutouts of sheep. He strips them of any sense of depth, uniqueness, or meaning. If you have enjoyed the series for it’s sense of fraternal camaraderie, hijinx, and sophomoric charm set within a world built on an intriguing mystery, stop before this book. He ruined every good thing about the series in the latter half of this disaster. I think he was collecting a paycheck he didn’t fully earn.

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  • Sonne
  • 2018-09-19

This Series has Taken a Horrible Turn...

I'm going to keep this brief... I loved this series so much. I couldn't stop listening to it and told everyone I knew about it. After this last book I completely regret it.

The way Phillip was treated in this book was absolutely disgusting and uncalled for. Everyone was completely ok with Phillip being destroyed over a lie that Brit put in her own head. Why do the other characters support this? Phillip has consistently throughout these books been there for everyone and they just turn their back on him just because. All the build up to find out why Brit and Phillip aren't together in the future and this is what the author chose? Unbelievable.

Also, the not so subtle "Women are amazing and Men are animals" thread of this book was forced and complete garbage. "Women need an excuse to fight and men need an excuse not to fight"? Who the hell thinks like this let alone writes it down and promotes it to others?!

Killed the series for me. Horrible.

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  • Joel
  • 2018-07-01

Scott, how do you think women are supposed to act?

Seriously, though. Gwen? She's angry until suddenly without context she's not and all Martin does is be honest and forthright with her. The Brits? They're normal until Philip tries his best to save them all and has to keep things from them/her. All be ever did was his very best to help and was forced to lie. The resolution is deeply unfair and unsatisfying on all sides and NOBODY else in the cast calls out Brit for being a bitch or being irrational. Honestly, this would have been a better resolution if Brit had died. The book is a slow, downhill slide into yet another unsatisfying resolution and a little lead in to another story where I'm sure it will be yet another downhill slide into mediocrity. Scott, please. You can do better than this. the first book proved that. your characters have gone from goofy and lovable to increasingly one dimensional and rigid.

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  • harbinger
  • 2018-07-11

A Philip to Remember / A Britt To Forget

**MAJOR SPOILERS AHEAD!**

I adore the Magic 2.0 series - I fell in love with the world, the characters and their adventures through medieval England, Atlantis, and the rest. Luke Daniels is an absolute wizard in bringing these characters to life, and I applaud Scott Meyers for never resting on his laurels, and taking chances with books 3 (fun!), 4 (Honor fail) and 5.

With Out of Spite, Out of Mind, the Phillip//Britt pairing is the main event, representing fatalism vs. free will. And that's interesting! Where it quickly falls apart is 1) how condescending (at best) and spiteful (hence the title???) Britt becomes and 2) how idiotic she behaves. It's the second part that I take issue with Meyer, because Britt was a pretty awesome character until recently.

So, to recap: Britt is two people; younger Britt resents older Britt; elder Britt notices a glitch caused by the two co-existing; elder Britt enlists Phillip to help her solve the problem and keep it a secret from Phillip, lest they destroy everyone/everything; younger Britt finds out and accuses Phillip of cheating on him; not-so-young Britt "saves the day" by fixing elder Britt, but not before encoding fake memories of Phillip cheating on her, thereby preserving the time loop and fulfilling her (elder Britt's) destiny of not being with Phillip.

To my first point, the characters in the book show little to no sympathy toward Phillip, with the main character Martin being unhelpful at best. Britt absolutely brutalizes Phillip, accusing him of cheating (with herself???) and then implanting her future self with false memories to ensure this becomes elder Britt's reality. How horrific. How sadistic.

But the fact that Phillip is posterized by Britt is a quibble compared to point numero dos - Britt's logic is completely faulty. If she allows herself to love Phillip, believing in HIS idea that free will exists (that each person can make decisions independently), and that determinism is false, she completely screws the pooch by essentially acting toward self-sabotage and preserving the timeline (i.e., free will doesn't exist, so I'm just going to do what I was going to do anyway).

Do you see the problem there? The Brit I know is way, way smarter than that. She is essentially acting OUT OF CHARACTER to push this plot forward. Phillip is not collaborating with elder Brit to save elder Brit - he is, at the end of the day, trying desperately to save younger Brit. Younger Brit somehow interprets this to be tantamount to cheating, and then acts to ensure the miserable outcome that is this book, which doesn't really prove her point (that what will be will be) since she ultimately decided the resolution of elder Brit's fate. And decides to cover her tracks by erasing the truth and replacing it with a falsehood about Phillip's infidelity...uhhh, good job Brit!

I can see where this is all going, but it just pains me when characters act of our character in order for the plot to work in certain ways. Gwen is no charmer, either, and I'm puzzled at how little chemistry both couples have with one another. Mr. Meyer - most of us are ride-or-die fans, and we're too invested to give up on these characters. I'm certain that Phillip and to a lesser extent Martin will get their comeuppance (for essentially being good, normal guys), but the fact that I'm expecting this comeuppance against the loves of their lives is really weird, mean-spirited, bizarre, out of character, etc.

Thank you for taking some chances, and taking us to some unexplored territory, but please hide the puppet strings a bit better when having the characters do what they need to do in service of the entire story. Characters by their nature are in service to the story, but maybe the story should be in service to them, as well (ooh! story/determinism vs. character/free will!)

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  • Nate Marks
  • 2018-08-17

good god man, who hurt you?

I have never read a story that made me so actively dislike a character I formerly liked.

11 of 11 people found this review helpful

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  • Amazon Customer
  • 2018-06-26

Dont Bother

Small spoilers ahead:
Rather than listen to this, just read the last chapter and move on. It's literally the only thing that adds to the plot. Everything else in the story adds nothing and destroys any depth that anyone but Philip had. Outside of a few funny side-stories, the main story is literally just Brit ruining Philip's life because a future version of her did it to her; so, she has to do it because.... idk... no free will? That's it. That's her only reasoning, and everyone aside from Philip seems to accept this as a valid argument. Don't waste your money. Absolutely no development or growth here.

Props to the narrator, though. 10/10

Huge Spoilers after:

Philip listens to Old Brit when she tells him not to tell young Brit about what was going in with Old Brit FOR HER OWN SAFETY. Young Brit (despite believing she will one day be old Brit) decides that it's all Philip's fault for listening to old Brit and he should have ignored Old Brit's warning and told her. She breaks up with him, and to top it off she changes her own memories of the events to believe that Philip cheated on her; so, that way she'll never forgive him.... for trying to protect her(?). That's it. that's the entire plot, and EVERYONE sides with Brit. No one even questions it. Like... come on. What an awful story. How could anyone honestly believe she's in the right. What a completely garbage human being.
Complete letdown. Was really hoping the cliffhanger from Book 4 actually meant something, butttt.... NOPE

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  • ♡Louise♡
  • 2018-06-21

Not what I was hoping for.

Excellent narration by Luke Daniels as always.

This book in the series was not as light hearted and fun as the previous books.

Seeing the cover (honestly, I didn’t even read the synopsis before buying it - Magic 2.0 books are an auto buy for me) - I was expecting some fun interactions with many multiple versions of Brit.
Yes, there were multiple versions of Brit interacting together, but it wasn’t fun. Snooty, bitchy, grumpy... but not fun.

We know from previous books that future Brit and and future Philip are not a couple, but this is the book we find out why...... and well, Brit is a spiteful bitch.

Sounds like the next book should be interesting from the way this one ended. I just hope Mr. Meyer’s gives Philip a better happier storyline than what it looks like the future holds for him.

Looking forward to book 6 !

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  • Doug
  • 2018-07-09

Least Favorite of the series so far

I guess maybe this book was written to set up future plots, but it really didn't seem to have much of a point. it didn't seem to me to flow very well or hold my interest nearly as much as the first four books of the series.

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  • Blake Jones
  • 2018-07-02

Brit is a sedistic monster.

The amount of damage she inflicts on others and the univers is amazing. She's good enough to be a Lovecraft monster. Yet she gets away with it all.

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  • Chris Hauber
  • 2018-07-07

Don't read this one.

The title of this book describes Brits motivation and mental status perfectly. Seriously, if you have any love for these characters then do not listen to this book at all. Just pretend there was no foreshadowing problem at the end of the last book, and that all of the characters continue to live their lives the in their goofy but charming way. You'll be much happier.

40 of 43 people found this review helpful