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Women Who Run with the Wolves
- Myths and Stories of the Wild Woman Archetype
- Narrated by: Clarissa Pinkola Estes
- Length: 2 hrs and 18 mins
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Publisher's Summary
Drawing from her work as a psychoanalyst and cantadora (keeper of old stories), Dr. Estes uses myths and folktales to illustrate how societies systematically strip away the feminine spirit. Through an exploration into the nature of the wild woman archetype, Dr. Estes helps listeners rediscover and free their own wild nature.
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- L Smith
- 2019-02-10
Very misleading - not the same as the actual book
Women Who Run with the Wolves is an amazing book, however, what I downloaded here on Audible is NOT the hardcover book that I own. It is a 'version' of the book, therefore, I was extremely disappointed as that was not at all what I was expecting. Audible should make these things much more clear.
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- Anonymous User
- 2019-03-30
Where’s the rest of the book Audible?
This was a great 2 hours, but at no point before getting the book did I notice anything obvious saying it was an abridged version. I would have loved the full version, especially in audiobook format. This was disappointing. What was there is great, just not what I thought I was signing up for.
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- Anonymous User
- 2019-09-08
NOT THE SAME AS THE BOOK
Highly truncated. Barely any stories and the takeaways are minor. Would not recommend at all.
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- Sara
- 2018-08-10
Life Changing Wisdom
I love this book it will change your life — this is misleading however because it is only a fraction of the book - this is not advertised and a disappointment considering the cost - but the content is life changing beautiful wild wisdom ♥️
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- Anonymous User
- 2019-07-20
different version than the original
I bought this book because we were reading it for book club. After listening to the whole thing in one drive, I thought it seemed a little shallow. I was expecting way more depth and analysis. During our book club meeting I found out that the audio book is way shorter than the original. Unfortunately this is not stated anywhere on the audiobook. I will be returning this one.
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- amy
- 2018-04-07
Missing stories?
I love her style of storytelling, her voice and cadence. But are there stories missing?
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- Carla G
- 2020-08-11
Not the book!
If you ur looking for the original book this is not it. Would not recommend.
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- Sara B.
- 2020-09-14
not the full book
this is an abridged version with less than half the book. super misleading that this fact is not indicated in the description.
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- Selena La Brooy
- 2020-08-23
Not the same as the paper book
This seems to be only the first chapter or 2 of the book. I should have known given how short this audio book is! Be forewarned. The stories are great I just wish I got the whole book.
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- Hanni2
- 2018-06-24
I am truly grateful for this book.
Thank you, thank you, thank you. I truly enjoyed this book. I recommend it highly. I normally don't write reviews, but I think there is that one person who will read this and you will understand this book is the one for you to read. I promise you it's worth it. Enjoy you deserve it.
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- B
- 2015-06-03
Book is superb; Audible edition is a ripoff.
I didn't realize "abridged" meant only two chapters. The book is one of my all-time favorites. This audible edition is a letdown.
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- Katherine
- 2013-09-26
Guess I know what "Abridged" means now....
Would you listen to Women Who Run with the Wolves again? Why?
Only if I could get the "entire" book on audio, didn't realize this wasn't the whole book
What did you like best about this story?
Love her storytelling!
What about Clarissa Pinkola Estes’s performance did you like?
The way she tells stories
Any additional comments?
I'm REALLY disappointed that this was so short - is there another way to get the entire book on audio?
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- Amazon Customer
- 2012-11-01
Too short
Would you try another book from Clarissa Pinkola Estes and/or Clarissa Pinkola Estes?
yes, but not an abrigded one
What was your reaction to the ending? (No spoilers please!)
not enough of the book to tell
What does Clarissa Pinkola Estes bring to the story that you wouldn’t experience if you just read the book?
the feeling the narator brings and the music
You didn’t love this book... but did it have any redeeming qualities?
What there was -great
Any additional comments?
would have liked the full book
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- scar
- 2017-02-06
Is not the entire book
This does not include the entire book. Just a compressed version. Not all the mythes are included. No chapters and is hard to follow.
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- imawareru
- 2015-02-05
Really short
This book wasn’t for you, but who do you think might enjoy it more?
I also have a new appreciation for the word 'abridged.' This book is difficult to 'summarize.' The audible version is a good overview, but I wish I knew that the stories would be missed. I would have spent this 2 hours reading my book book.
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- Maria De La Cueva
- 2015-08-04
Women who run with the wolves
This book wasn’t for you, but who do you think might enjoy it more?
I had hoped it was the entire book not just the first two chapters
Any additional comments?
need more
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- Amanda M.
- 2015-12-16
too abridged - too softly spoken
Would you try another book from Clarissa Pinkola Estes and/or Clarissa Pinkola Estes?
I love the actual brick and mortar book . And I have two more of hers - unabridged - in my cart right now.
How did the narrator detract from the book?
Too softly spoken. I listen while driving and it's hard to pay attention with her soft, slow voice. It also lulls me to sleep a little. I've restarted a couple times, realizing that my mind was wandering and I had missed so much.
Any additional comments?
I love the actual brick and mortar book - and it's huge. I can't believe they condensed it in to less than 3 hours. It's too abridged
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- Kate
- 2020-05-07
Do Not Be Fooled - Audiobook Drastically Abridged
This is not the original book. If you were hoping for the audio book version of Women Who Run With the Wolves, this is not it.
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- Tiffany
- 2011-11-10
Excellent!
I read Women Who Run With The Wolves about two years ago. I was so inspired by the author's work that I made sure all my friends, men and women, knew about it. I think it is a must read, especially for women who feel a great need to rediscover and reclaim their sacred wolf bones in order to truly run free, without inhabition. Wild, like our nature. And especially for the men who love the wolf and want to understand her being and not capture her soul. I LOVE this audio. And the best part is Dr. Marissa Pinkola Estes narrated the audio book herself, now how lucky can one get?
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- Wendy
- 2011-06-19
Loved it
This audio was much easier to listen to than trying to read the book, which I found very hard going. The narration is perfect and the stories brilliant. I loved it.
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- Lumpp Caroline
- 2019-04-17
Incomplet
J’ai été déçue car le livre comporte beaucoup plus d’histoires que cette version audio... sinon, le contenu, tel qu’il est, est intéressant.
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- Amazon Customer
- 2017-09-08
bonne livre
bonne livre sur le sense de la vie mais s'adresse autant aux femmes qu'aux hommes.
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- Sophie LAURENT
- 2022-09-30
A must not only read but listen again and again
what a treat to have the wise crone woman herself whispering to our ears these stories of the wild women. Her voice, to anyone who had no story teller grandmother and also to the one who had, is precious. Even more than her writing her storytelling is a soothing and encouraging balm, to reveal our wild woman, to tend to our dreams, to care for our rage and creative fire. Thank you thank you
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- Atoll
- 2021-10-24
Not too satisfied this time
The duration of the audiobook is of approximately 2 h. It does not seem to correspond to the real book (and I think that this should have been clearly explained).
I had quite some issues with the reader as well, both the way of reading and the voice are in my view not easy to square with this type of book (would match better a novel).
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- Vedina M
- 2018-03-24
powerful!
highly recommend. deep and healing. food for the soul. all women would benefit from taking the time to digest this slowly
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- Altheea Roxana
- 2023-11-28
perfect book, perfect reading, sublime voice
read it twice already!
I recommend it to all women and girls all around the world
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- Anonymous User
- 2023-10-10
Great book but not missing element
I wanted to listen again the book but unfortunately it is not the entire book and it was not said clearly and not the original book (speaking about snaps for exemple)
But the performance of the reader is great
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- mairin
- 2022-12-31
Fascinating and enhancing.
Being a woman who runs with wolves myself I found this book very comforting and enlightening. It is easy to feel ‘other’ and isolated as such a woman and the comforting and clear explanation and guidance in this book has helped me immensely. One to reliâtes to for sure.
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- Ferfouri L.
- 2022-10-10
Incroyable et bouleversant
Incroyable livre et incroyable lecture. Comme être au coin d’un feu avec d’autres femmes. Toutes les émotions sont capturées. Un livre plein de sagesse, des préceptes à mettre en œuvre pour retrouver la femme divine et sauvage qui est en nous toute
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- Celine Rosso
- 2022-06-14
Interesting book but too short!
Interesting topic and great story telling but disappointing that it is not the full book, it should have been clearly mentioned in the audio book description. Worth listening to though!
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