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Science of Reading: The Podcast

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Science of Reading: The Podcast will deliver the latest insights from researchers and practitioners in early reading. Via a conversational approach, each episode explores a timely topic related to the science of reading.

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  • S10 E7: Syntax and comprehension, with Julie Van Dyke, Ph.D.
    Dec 17 2025

    In this episode of Science of Reading: The Podcast, Susan Lambert is joined by research scientist and professor Julie Van Dyke, Ph.D., who explains why syntax instruction may be the missing piece in our mission to improve comprehension outcomes for all students. Together, Julie and Susan discuss why syntax is the part of the language system that matters for comprehension, how the same systematicity and rule governance that you find in teaching phonics also exists in syntax, and how explicit syntax instruction could be the next breakthrough in evidence-based literacy education.

    Show notes:

    • Register to join our Science of Comprehension Symposium.
    • Submit your questions on comprehension!
    • Connect with Julie Van Dyke on LinkedIn.
    • Learn more about Julie Van Dyke's research on her website.
    • Watch an interview about Syntax Comes First: Understanding How Syntax Is the Backbone of Comprehension
    • Watch Dr. Van Dyke's webinar: Finding the Missing Link in Reading Comprehension.
    • Access recent Perspectives issues via the IDA.
    • Listen to Season 2 of Amplify's Beyond My Years podcast.
    • Join our community Facebook group.
    • Connect with Susan Lambert.

    Quotes:

    "In English, syntax is word order. Syntax is the relationship between the entities in a sentence." —Julie Van Dyke, Ph.D.

    "If you want to increase comprehension, you need to be explicit in syntax because that's the part of the language system that matters for comprehension." —Julie Van Dyke, Ph.D.

    "Comprehension is the glue between the words. It's the process of gluing the words together, each word as you go." —Julie Van Dyke, Ph.D.

    Episode Timestamps:
    00:00 Introduction: Syntax and comprehension with Julie Van Dyke, Ph.D.
    06:00 Nervousness around syntax instruction
    11:00 Comprehension is the glue between words
    15:00 The difference between grammar and syntax
    19:00 How the brain learns language and how syntax is related to that learning
    24:00 Oral language is much less complicated than written language
    30:00 Explaining regressions
    33:00 The need to be explicit in syntax instruction
    36:00 How we develop fluency as syntax
    44:00 Closing thoughts: Syntax can move the needle on the nation's report card

    *Timestamps are approximate, rounded to nearest minute



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    49 min
  • S10 E6: Understanding assessment, with Melissa Farrall, Ph.D.
    Dec 3 2025

    In this episode of Science of Reading: The Podcast, Susan Lambert is joined by Affiliated Scholar at the Stern Center for Language and Learning, Melissa Farrall, Ph.D., to discuss understanding assessment. Melissa explains why it's beneficial for every educator to understand the fundamentals of assessment, especially comprehension assessment. Together, Melissa and Susan discuss the relationship between reading comprehension and language comprehension, why reading comprehension can be challenging to assess, and how, in a perfect world, educators would be trained both in the Science of Reading and assessment.

    Show notes:

    • Submit your questions on comprehension!
    • Access free, high-quality resources at our brand new, companion professional learning page.
    • Connect with Melissa Farrall on LinkedIn.
    • Learn more about Chall's Stages of Reading Development.
    • Read Reading Assessment: Linking Language, Literacy, and Cognition
    • Read The Academic Achievement Challenge: What Really Works in the Classroom
    • Listen to Season 2 of Amplify's Beyond My Years podcast.
    • Join our community Facebook group.
    • Connect with Susan Lambert.

    Quotes:

    • "My view of reading comprehension is that it is thinking guided by print." —Melissa Farrall, Ph.D.
    • "If we supplement our evaluation with measures of listening comprehension, we can then get a sense of an individual's ability to make meaning." —Melissa Farrall, Ph.D.
    • "In a perfect world, we would have not just evaluators, but educators who are trained both in the Science of Reading and in assessment so that we can all sit at the same table and participate." —Melissa Farrall, Ph.D.

    Episode Timestamps:
    00:00 Introduction: Exploring comprehension assessment, with Melissa Farrall
    07:00 The legacy of Jean Chall's research on the developmental stages of reading
    10:00 "Reading Assessment: Linking Language, Literacy, and Cognition"
    17:00 Comprehension is thinking guided by print
    21:00 Different ways of assessing reading comprehension
    27:00 Kintsch's construction-integration model
    30:00 Word recognition
    33:00 Reading comprehension is not easily quantified
    38:00 How background knowledge affect the meaning-making process
    41:00 The two modalities of language comprehension
    45:00 How today's educators might think differently about comprehension instruction
    48:00 Closing thoughts

    *Timestamps are approximate, rounded to nearest minute



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    52 min
  • S10 E5: Reimagining comprehension assessment, with Gina Biancarosa, Ed.D.
    Nov 19 2025

    In this episode of Science of Reading: The Podcast, Susan Lambert is joined by University of Oregon College of Education Professor and Ann Swindells Chair in Education Gina Biancarosa, Ed.D., to explore how best to assess for comprehension. Gina elaborates on her extensive work developing more precise and informative measurements of reading comprehension and discusses think-aloud research, demonstrating how to infer for coherence, and examining how students who are struggling with comprehension tend to rely too heavily on making inferences or paraphrasing.

    Show notes:

    • Submit your questions on comprehension!
    • Access free, high-quality resources at our brand new, companion professional learning page.
    • Connect with Gina on LinkedIn.
    • Read “Diagnostic and Instructionally Relevant Measurement of Reading Comprehension”
    • Watch Dr. Biancarosa's recent Amplify webinar appearance: Where and How to Measure Comprehension to Drive Improvement
    • Listen to Season 2 of Amplify’s Beyond My Years podcast.
    • Join our community Facebook group.
    • Connect with Susan Lambert.

    Quotes:

    "A lot of what we know about reading comprehension comes from think-alouds where you ask someone to tell you what they're thinking as they read." —Gina Biancarosa, Ed.D

    "To model reading comprehension, [try] thinking aloud in front of a classroom of students in a way that is instructive for them, and also authentic to the reading process." —Gina Biancarosa, Ed.D.

    "Students are making causal inferences in their daily lives, when they watch movies, and when they're hearing stories. And so what we're really trying to do is get them to generalize these behaviors that they engage in outside of the task of reading, during reading." —Gina Biancarosa, Ed.D.

    Episode Timestamps:
    02:00 Introduction: Gina Biancarosa, Ed.D. and comprehension assessment
    08:00 How do we assess comprehension?
    14:00 Think-aloud research
    21:00 MOCCA (Multiple-Choice Online Causal Comprehension Assessment)
    24:00 Causal coherence
    30:00 Paraphrasers and elaborators
    33:00 Comprehension assessment research
    39:00 Professional development and comprehension assessment
    42:00 Closing thoughts
    *Timestamps are approximate, rounded to nearest minute

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    46 min
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