The Bulwark's Tim Miller joins the podcast to discuss being a leading figure in the Never Trump movement, the growth of The Bulwark and how Donald Trump is starting to make the mistake of a normal politician. Plus, Tim shares what it's like spending time with the Turning Point crowd and which Democrats could actually reach young men.


0:00 Intro
2:30 Miller's Media Diet
4:34 How Miller Came To Elevate The Bulwark
10:34 How To Understand The Trump Origin Story
16:12 Who Really Benefits From Trump's Success
26:03 How Do Democrats Win Nationally
34:05 Did Covid Turn Democrats Into The Establishment?
40:59 Miller's Relationship With Charlie Kirk & Turning Point USA
46:17 The Left's Inability To Engage Young People
52:00 Is The Theo Von Voter Up For Grabs?

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Governor Newsom chats with Andrew Ross Sorkin in front of a live audience at the New York Times DealBook Summit in New York. Listen in as they discuss the future of the country, the state of the Democratic party and how to fight the Trump administration.

0:00 - The Democratic Party Is A Big Tent Party
3:26 - The Importance of Democratizing Our Economy
9:27 Standing Up For Free Elections
15:55 Social Media Strategy & The Patriot Shop
20:35 Trump's Future
23:47 Crony Capitalism
29:30 California As A Model Economy
35:32 Environmental Issues & China
38:41 The 2028 Nominee Should Be...

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Governor Gavin Newsom sits down with Ian Bremmer, president of Eurasia Group, founder of GZEROMedia, and one of the most influential geopolitical analysts in the world. Together they assess whether the United States is still seen as a reliable global partner.

Bremmer breaks down how President Trump is reshaping alliances, why U.S. foreign policy feels increasingly improvisational, and how adversaries like Xi Jinping and Vladimir Putin exploit American dysfunction.

They also examine the administration’s Middle East strategy, whether the U.S. is quietly pursuing regime change in Venezuela and whether our fear of Artificial Intelligence can be solved by good political leadership.


00:00 — Is the U.S. Still a Reliable Ally?
06:31 — Does Trump Actually Have a Foreign Policy?
13:11 — MBS, Saudi Arabia, and That White House Meeting
19:22 — Should Trump Get More Credit in the Middle East?
25:38 — China’s Strategy: Xi Believes He Can Manage Trump
32:04 — Why This Administration Seems to Have It Out for Canada
38:48 — Are We Quietly Pushing Regime Change in Venezuela?
41:55 — The Trump – Putin Relationship Isn’t Working
48:53 — JD Vance & the NATO Breakdown
53:36 — How the World Actually Sees the U.S. Right Now
1:00:57 — American Corruption Is Now on Full Display
1:04:38 — Can Capitalism Save or Destroy AI?
1:08:50 — What The Epstein Files Really Tell Us


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