Kirsty Donnelly, CEO of City & Guilds, talks to Safaraz Ali about her remarkable journey as she takes the helm under the new ownership of PeopleCert.

In this powerful episode of Canny Conversations, Safaraz Ali sits down with Kirstie Donnelly MBE, the Chief Executive Officer of City & Guilds, to explore a career shaped by transformation, vision, and values-driven leadership.

Now leading City & Guilds through one of the most significant turning points in its 145-year history, Kirstie reflects on her remarkable journey - from navigating the challenges of the COVID-19 pandemic to steering a bold new chapter through the acquisition by global certification leader PeopleCert. It’s a candid and timely conversation about what it takes to lead a legacy organisation through disruption, remain focused on mission, and adapt for the future of work.

This episode is more than a leadership story - it’s a frontline account of how the UK’s most recognised awarding body is repositioning itself to meet the demands of the Fourth Industrial Revolution, embracing digital credentials, globalisation, and lifelong learning, while staying anchored in purpose and social mobility.

Kirstie opens up about the pressures of leadership during the pandemic, the strategic reflections that led to the PeopleCert deal, and how she sees City & Guilds playing a renewed role in the global skills ecosystem. Her belief that “talent exists everywhere, but opportunity does not” is a theme that runs deeply throughout the episode - as does her call for system-wide reform, cross-sector collaboration, and courageous leadership.

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Welcome to the second half of Safaraz's conversation with Lisa Capper MBE, the CEO and Principal of Sandwell Colleges. In this episode, Lisa takes us behind the scenes of the Sector Work-Based Academy Programmes (SWAPS), revealing how these innovative initiatives are equipping adults with the skills needed to thrive in hospital settings and through collaboration with community organizations, schools, and employers, individuals are overcoming personal challenges and finding new pathways to success.
Lisa also opens up about her passionate commitment to inclusive education, inspired by her son's experience with unilateral hearing loss. As the first female chair of the National Deaf Children's Society, Lisa shares her personal mission to create resources and support for children with disabilities.
Finally, we learn the value of building high-performing teams through a culture of shared vision and alignment, where empowerment and development are key.
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Welcome to Lisa Capper MBE, the inspiring CEO and principal of the Sandwell Colleges Group. Lisa takes us through her journey of leading the largest college network in the West Midlands, shedding light on how these institutions are pivotal in transforming lives in communities marked by high deprivation. She shares the innovative steps Sandwell Colleges are taking, like the introduction of T-levels, to prepare learners for a future entwined with AI and technology, making education a powerful catalyst for social mobility.

Lisa highlights the remarkable milestones achieved by Sandwell College in student safety and diversity, earning top accolades for safeguarding and fostering an inclusive environment. With a large percentage of learners from black and ethnic minority backgrounds, Lisa talks to us about the college's commitment to diversity and its impactful 'swaps program,' which successfully integrates adults into NHS employment. These stories underscore the adaptability and community-focused ethos of Sandwell Colleges amidst the challenges of a competitive educational landscape.

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