In this episode of Chat With Sean, I’m joined by Rand Fishkin - Co-founder & CEO of SparkToro and AlertMouse, two tools transforming how marketers understand audience behaviour, attention and brand visibility.
Rand breaks down how user journeys became “pinball machines,” why attribution models mislead entire organisations, and what teams must rethink as AI tools rise but still represent only a tiny fraction of actual search activity. We dig into how Google and Facebook over-claim credit, why traditional funnels no longer map to real behaviour, and how brands can build visibility across the fragmented discovery ecosystem.
We also explore AI tool usage trends, the truth behind ChatGPT vs Google volumes, why Gemini is catching up, how companies should approach LLM visibility, and the growing importance of PR, reputation, and native content distribution. Rand shares predictions on where search, social and AI are heading — and what marketers must prioritise to stay relevant.
We cover:
- Modern user journeys and how discovery happens across multiple platforms
- How major platforms measure and attribute conversions
- The scale of AI search compared to traditional search engines
- AI optimisation practices and their overlap with SEO
- How LLMs identify, reference and select brands
- Current usage trends across ChatGPT, Gemini, Perplexity and DeepSeek
- Changes in social platform referral traffic and content distribution models
- The evolving role of websites in marketing and conversion
- Growth and relevance of community platforms like Reddit and Threads
- The role of niche forums, private groups and smaller communities
- Key marketing priorities, including audience research and zero-click strategy
- The emerging impact of “AI mode” within search environments
- The importance of PR, brand entities and reputation signals in digital visibility
Connect With Rand - https://www.linkedin.com/in/randfishkin/https://sparktoro.com/https://alertmouse.com/