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Distance To Empty

Auteur(s): Kevin Goldberg and Peter Noyes
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 Become a Subscriber: http://patreon.com/DistancetoEmptyPod Distance To Empty will take its audience deep into the world of ultra-endurance running, with a particular focus on races exceeding 200 miles. Through in-depth interviews with athletes, race organizers and sports scientists, the episodes shed light on the unique challenges and strategies involved in tackling these extreme distances. Tune in and learn what it takes to reach your distance to empty.Kevin Goldberg and Peter Noyes Course et jogging
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  • Fueling the Long Haul with Sports Dietitian Claire Shorenstein

    Fueling the Long Haul with Sports Dietitian Claire Shorenstein
    Nov 6 2026

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    Two hundred miles gives you more time to fix your problems, and a lot more time to create them. Most of those problems start with what you’re eating and drinking, or what you aren’t.

    This week Kevin and Peter sit down with Claire Shorenstein, MS, RD, CSSD, a board-certified sports dietitian, longtime trail runner, and founder of Eat for Endurance. They cover how fueling changes once you’re past day one, why the science on 200s is mostly extrapolation from shorter races, and what that 2023 Cocodona 250 energy-deficit study found. Claire also grades Kevin’s non-negotiable pre-sleep rule for his athletes, walks through vomiting and GI troubleshooting, and explains why “not hungry” doesn’t mean “don’t need food.” Then Kevin offers up a totally hypothetical 37-year-old who eats like a toddler with a credit card.

    Plus: Javelina Jundred commentary recap, Peter’s Halloween costume, a TrainingPeaks tip on TSS, a round of Let’s Get Deep, and Kevin’s new data-driven training plans for 2027.

    Show notes

    Guest: Claire Shorenstein, MS, RD, CSSD

    • Eat for Endurance (private practice): eatforendurance.com
    • The Eat for Endurance Podcast, with seven-plus years of episodes, including one from January 2026 on what working with a sports dietitian is like
    • Fuel for Life Crew: Claire’s membership community for endurance athletes ($39/month or less), with resources and a Slack group for questions
    • Free 30-minute discovery calls are available through her new-client inquiry form

    In this episode

    • Javelina Jundred recap: wild desert weather, a nearly 50% DNF rate, and Heather Jackson’s late pass in the dark
    • Kevin on commentating remotely for Mountain Outpost
    • Melanie launches distancetoemptypod.com
    • Interview with Claire Shorenstein:
    • TrainingPeaks tip of the week: why an accurate TSS matters
    • Outro: Peter’s comeback, Let’s Get Deep, and Kevin’s new training plans

    Sponsors
    Use code DISTANCE at checkout, then send us proof of your order for free Distance to Empty swag. Proof can go to distancetoemptypod@gmail.com, to @distancetoemptypod on Instagram, or through the contact form at distancetoemptypod.com. Include your mailing address.

    • Janji: janji.com. Choose “Podcast,” then “Distance to Empty” in the post-purchase survey and screenshot it.
    • Mount to Coast: mounttocoast.com, code DISTANCE
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    • TrainingPeaks: Sign up for a free account at trainingpeaks.com (includes 14 days of Premium) and send us proof for a set of Distance to Empty bib clips.


    Train with us
    One-on-one coaching, group coaching through our Patreon, and new static training plans built from real finishers’ FIT files. Plans include the Leadville big buckle (sub-25), competitive Cocodona (70–85 hours), Arizona Monster, and more at distancetoemptypod.com. Our Patreon is always the first link in the show notes.
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    1 h et 18 min
  • Tor des Geants, Swiss Peaks & the Mental Game of Europe’s Hardest 200s with Nickademus de La Rosa

    Tor des Geants, Swiss Peaks & the Mental Game of Europe’s Hardest 200s with Nickademus de La Rosa
    Oct 29 2026
    Learn about our Patreon Offers!: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.patreon.com/DistancetoEmptyPod ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Get some free DTE Swag by supporting out sponsors!⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://janji.com/pages/distance-to-empty⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ and be sure to select 'podcast' > 'Distance to Empty' on the post purchase "How did you hear about Janji" page. Thank you!Check out Mount to Coast here: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://mounttocoast.com/discount/Distance⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Open Fuel: Code DISTANCE for 20% offNickademus de La Rosa is back on Distance to Empty! Since his last visit in 2024, Nick has finished his master’s in sports and performance psychology, moved to Canada, and launched Imperfect Mental Performance. He and Kevin compare brutal European 200s like Tor des Géants and Swiss Peaks 360 with the US 200 scene. They cover why these races keep getting faster and why the “specialist” is dead. They also get into how training theory has shifted from pure vert to running economy to fatigue resistance. Nick shares his favorite sports-psych tools: separating self-worth from performance, racing from curiosity, and setting a goal your ego hates. Plus: Kevin’s 100-mile PR at Canal Corridor, Peter’s 73 untrained miles, and an updated take on whether Tor is harder than Barkley.Show NotesIn this episodeWhat Nick’s been up to: graduating from University of Western States, moving to Canada (and getting turned around at the border with a U-Haul), and working with endurance athletes on the mental gameHow Nick’s approach has shifted from Internal Family Systems toward CBT and behavior chains, using “the lower dose” when that’s all an athlete needsKevin’s 18:21 100-mile PR at Canal Corridor, and why low-pressure races create room for curiosity, joy, and presenceHot takes from Tor des Géants and Swiss Peaks 360: faster finishing times, top 100-milers moving to 200s, and sleep strategies (early naps vs. 15–20 minute micro-naps)Mammoth 200: Kevin finished ninth in 58 hours with zero sleep, and the front of the pack is tighter than everThe culture gap: social media and the “hybrid athlete” crowd at US 200s vs. European races, plus thoughts on the Moab 240 cancellationMental prep for long races: appraising your abilities accurately, managing expectations, and fighting the “existential pointlessness” of days three and four (“this inch still matters on day four”)Looking back at Kevin’s 2023 Tor: hitting an emotional low six miles in, and what he’d do differentlyTraining evolution: big vert, then running economy, then fatigue resistance and durability. Can you still climb at the same pace in hour five of a six-hour day?Why the long descents are the hardest thing to prepare for in the US, and why training on the course is the real secretNick’s litmus test for anyone eyeing Tor: a three-day block of steep repeats on 1,000 ft/mile climbs“If your ego hates the goal, you’ve appraised it correctly”Kevin’s upcoming Oslo Bergen Trail 500KRevisiting Nick’s claim that Tor is harder than Barkley: “easier to finish” vs. “easier”Coaching with Distance to EmptyFull Tank tier on Patreon ($119/month): light-touch personalized coaching with a plan built for you, plus bonus episodes and Discord access. It’s the first link in the show notes.One-on-one coaching with Kevin for the 2027 seasonSponsors & SwagTrainingPeaks: Sign up for a free account at trainingpeaks.com, show us, and we’ll send you bib boards. (Kevin works at TrainingPeaks in the Coach Match program.)Mount to Coast: Code DISTANCE for 10% offOpen Fuel: Code DISTANCE for 20% offJanji: Choose “Podcast,” then “Distance to Empty” in the post-purchase survey. We recommend joining the Janji Collective ($25 one-time fee for 15% off for life).Screenshot your order and send it with your address to ⁠distancetoemptypod@gmail.com⁠ or @distancetoemptypod on Instagram for free swag: hats, stickers, socks, bib boards, bib clips, or a “surprise me” pick.
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    1 h et 14 min
  • Badwater 135 Recap: Cellulitis, Open Fuel, and a T-Rex in Lone Pine

    Badwater 135 Recap: Cellulitis, Open Fuel, and a T-Rex in Lone Pine
    Oct 21 2026

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    The turn has tabled! This time Peter interviews Kevin about his Badwater 135. After years of saying he'd never run it, Kevin crewed Francis in 2024 and Peter in 2025, then decided he had to see what it felt like to cross Death Valley on foot. He started the 9 PM wave feeling the best he'd ever felt in a race. He ran sub-10 miles in 118°F heat and hit mile 50 by sunrise. Around mile 20, though, a mild pain in his lower left shin started and steadily got worse. He held on through Towne Pass, Father Crowley, and the long flat stretch to Lone Pine, reached mile 100 in under 21 hours, and ground up the Whitney Portal Road to finish in just under 31 hours. A few hours later, the ER in Lone Pine diagnosed cellulitis.

    We also cover:

    • Kevin's 18-hour, 21-minute 100-mile PR and Western States qualifier at Canal Corridor 100, and Peter's truly untrained 73 miles
    • Heat acclimation from altitude training in Leadville plus sauna sessions
    • Kevin's fueling plan: about 70g of carbs per hour with Open Fuel and gels
    • The Badwater hotel puzzle that comes before the race itself
    • Peter's birthday unicycle
    • Starlink in Death Valley, walkie-talkie mischief, and Chris's homemade battery-powered misting pack
    • A surprise dinosaur in Lone Pine
    • The ER trip, a "syphilis" scare, and a recovery drive to Bishop (with a stop at Schat's)

    Welcome, Open Fuel! We're excited to announce Open Fuel as our newest sponsor. Use code DISTANCE for 20% off.

    Our other partners:

    • Mount to Coast: Use code DISTANCE. Kevin and the crew ran in the Badwater-edition C135s.
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    • TrainingPeaks: Create a free account and send us your welcome email, and we'll mail you some Distance to Empty bib boards.

    Swag: Send a screenshot of your receipt or survey to @distancetoemptypod on Instagram or distancetoemptypod@gmail.com for free swag. Options include new "Normalize Crying in Ultras" hats, "Have a Nice Run" shirts, and bib boards. For a limited time, any Open Fuel, Mount to Coast, or Janji order over $50 also gets you one of Kevin's TrainingPeaks training plans of your choice, free.
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    1 h et 9 min
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