Katie talks with her new friend Grace in this episode! Grace is an Enneagram coach based in Dallas, Texas. We discuss the core motivation of 8s (and how it shows up in Grace's daily life), an 8's hesitancy to discover their own limitations, and the similarities/differences between 8s and a few other key numbers.

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Katie sits down with Emma, a 35-year-old Enneagram Six, for a thoughtful and personal conversation about fear, preparedness, relationships, and the long road toward self-trust.

Emma shares how she first found the Enneagram through podcasts, what it was like to recognize herself as a Six, and how that discovery helped make sense of patterns she had carried for years. Together, Katie and Emma explore the inner world of Sixes: the search for safety, the struggle to trust themselves, the experience of rumination, and the deep need to find what feels “just right.”

They also talk about Emma’s relationship with her boyfriend, an Enneagram Three, the differences between Six and Three achievement, and how the Enneagram helps illuminate the push and pull of connection. Along the way, Emma reflects on growing up between cultures, including her childhood in Saudi Arabia, and shares how an early medical emergency became one of the defining moments in her relationship to preparedness and control.

Y’all, this one is REALLY GOOD. In the first half we talk typical 6 stuff: counter phobic vs phobic, reading other people’s emotions, etc. But in the second half, we get into some new stuff and it’s one of my favorite episodes to date.

There are a few seconds of audio issues around the 47 minute mark (we had some technical problems during recording), but hopefully you all can still understand!

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