The beginning of the end! In this episode, Katie talks with Luke, a pastry chef turned mental health counselor.

We talk about several differences between 3 and 9, and spend a lot of time diving into what it means for a 9 to "wake up" and start chasing after their own life.

Luke has an incredible knack for explaining difficult concepts, so this is a good one to listen to if you want to understand the 9s in your life.

Katie talks with her new friend Grace in this episode! Grace is an Enneagram coach based in Dallas, Texas. We discuss the core motivation of 8s (and how it shows up in Grace's daily life), an 8's hesitancy to discover their own limitations, and the similarities/differences between 8s and a few other key numbers.

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Katie sits down with Emma, a 35-year-old Enneagram Six, for a thoughtful and personal conversation about fear, preparedness, relationships, and the long road toward self-trust.

Emma shares how she first found the Enneagram through podcasts, what it was like to recognize herself as a Six, and how that discovery helped make sense of patterns she had carried for years. Together, Katie and Emma explore the inner world of Sixes: the search for safety, the struggle to trust themselves, the experience of rumination, and the deep need to find what feels “just right.”

They also talk about Emma’s relationship with her boyfriend, an Enneagram Three, the differences between Six and Three achievement, and how the Enneagram helps illuminate the push and pull of connection. Along the way, Emma reflects on growing up between cultures, including her childhood in Saudi Arabia, and shares how an early medical emergency became one of the defining moments in her relationship to preparedness and control.

Y’all, this one is REALLY GOOD. In the first half we talk typical 6 stuff: counter phobic vs phobic, reading other people’s emotions, etc. But in the second half, we get into some new stuff and it’s one of my favorite episodes to date.

There are a few seconds of audio issues around the 47 minute mark (we had some technical problems during recording), but hopefully you all can still understand!

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In this Early Access conversation, Katie Whitlock sits down with her real-life friend Kristen.

Kristen works in the arts world at a museum—fundraising, grant writing, and building programs—and brings that same creative, community-minded energy into the way she understands personality, trust, and belonging.

Together, they explore what “security” actually means for Sixes when it isn’t just about money or logistics, but about being emotionally grounded—knowing where you stand with people, having clarity, and feeling steady inside your own skin.

In this episode, Katie talks with a local friend about all things 6. We discuss why some 6s might mistype as 4s or 8s, what rebellion looks like and why 6s do it, procrastination, and much more!

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In this Early Access episode, Katie Whitlock welcomes Imogen, a 24-year-old from Shanghai, China.

Imogen shares how she found the Enneagram through a friend, why she identifies as a Five without tests, and how “avarice” shows up as a fierce protection of time, energy, space, and purpose.

Together they explore the Five’s impulse to offer information as a form of connection, the tension between deep internal emotion and discomfort with outward emotional exchange, and the relief that comes when the Enneagram gives a framework for accepting difference.

Katie talks to Rob, a musician friend of Lucas from the last episode!

We talk about the different ways that 4s can show up in the world, including the effect of wings and family dynamics.