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  • 199. Soil-First Grazing and Earned Efficiency with Rachel Bouressa
    Dec 3 2025

    Rachel Bouressa of Bouressa Family Farm joins us from central Wisconsin, where she’s a fifth-generation farmer and second-generation grazier managing 120 acres with a soil-first mindset. After returning home following a barn fire, she rebuilt her operation using perennial forages, diverse annuals, and a willingness to experiment. Today she’s deeply involved with Grassworks, Wisconsin Farmers Union, NRCS conservation planning, women-in-conservation mentoring, and the Upper Fox Wolf Demonstration Farm Network—all while running a thriving direct-to-consumer beef business.

    Topics Covered in This Episode

    • Rebuilding the family farm after a barn fire and starting with just 15 acres
    • Developing a soil-first grazing philosophy and “earned efficiency”
    • Working closely with NRCS and building strong planner–farmer relationships
    • Converting row-crop ground back to pasture using rye, diverse cool-season mixes, and sorghum-Sudan
    • Choosing cattle genetics: British White Parks, Devons, and Murray Greys
    • Direct-to-consumer beef sales and transitioning to Barn2Door
    • Extending the grazing season toward Christmas
    • Audubon Bird-Friendly certification and creating habitat value

    Why You Should Listen

    If you’re looking for a grounded, real-world example of what soil-first grazing looks like in practice, Rachel brings hard-earned wisdom, humility, and a spirit of experimentation. Her story is full of practical insights—from pasture renovation to breed selection to extending the grazing season—and she offers a refreshingly honest look at the challenges and rewards of growing a regenerative, community-connected grazing operation.

    Resources Mentioned

    • Grassworks Conference
    • NRCS grazing resources
    • Audubon Conservation Ranching Program
    • Wendell Berry — Unsettling of America, The Gift of Good Land
    • Fred Provenza — Nourishment



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    1 h et 17 min
  • 198. Adding Wildlife Income Streams to Your Ranch with Doug Jobes
    Nov 26 2025

    Today’s episode features Doug Jobes, Regenerative Ranching Advisor at the Noble Research Institute, whose background spans rural Georgia agriculture, the 75th Ranger Regiment, wildlife science, and rangeland ecology. Doug brings a wildlife-first lens to grazing—not just how animals eat grass, but how grazing decisions ripple out into birds, deer, turkeys, insects, habitat structure, and even the income potential of your ranch.

    We dig into how wildlife and grazing fit together, what habitat components matter most, how producers can inventory wildlife on their land, and how regenerative grazing opens doors to additional enterprises like hunting leases, ecotourism, and wildlife photography. Doug also explains nesting cover vs. roost sites for turkeys, how to adapt your grazing plan for wildlife without sacrificing profitability, and why “realistic expectations” matter more than anything when managing both grass and critters.


    Topics Covered

    • Doug’s journey from Georgia farm life → military service → wildlife science → Noble Research Institute.
    • What “regenerative grazing + wildlife” really means.
    • Why realistic expectations are key when managing habitat.
    • How to inventory wildlife on your property.
    • Differences in wildlife presence between neighboring properties—and why.
    • Monetizing wildlife:
      • Hunting leases
      • Waterfowl access
      • Dove fields
      • Fishing
      • Ecotourism
      • Wildlife photography (and how competitive photographers are!)
    • Habitat needs for:
      • Bobwhite quail
      • Grassland songbirds
      • Wild turkeys—nesting cover + roost trees
    • How grazing decisions influence bird populations (Roots So Deep examples).
    • Using rest periods strategically for wildlife habitat.
    • The Rangeland Analysis Platform (RAP) as a tool for understanding forage history.
    • Doug’s favorite book → Beef, Brush, and Bobwhites
    • Why market forces matter in conservation decisions.

    🎧 Why Listen?

    If you’ve ever wondered how wildlife fits into regenerative ranching—or how your grazing decisions affect far more than cattle—this episode will open your eyes. Doug connects soil health, plant communities, wildlife needs, grazing pressure, and producer profitability in a way few people can. You’ll walk away with a clearer understanding of habitat, new options for income streams, and several practical management tweaks you can apply immediately.

    This episode is especially valuable if you’ve been noticing wildlife differences between your property and the neighbors and wondering “why?”


    Resources Mentioned

    • Noble Research Institute: https://noble.org
    • Beef, Brush, and Bobwhites — Guthery & Hernández (ebook ~$10)
    • Rangeland Analysis Platform (RAP): https://rangelands.app
    • Roots So Deep docuseries (bird habitat comparisons)

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    1 h et 15 min
  • 197. Silvopasture in the Real World with Austin Unruh
    Nov 19 2025

    Austin Unruh returns for another deep, practical conversation on silvopasture — this time focusing on “the dip,” livestock pressure, pruning, shade strategy, pigs and poultry in tree systems, and what to do in Year Zero before you ever put a seedling in the ground. If you’ve ever stared at your pastures on a hot day wishing you had more shade… this one will light a fire under you.


    What we cover in this episode:

    • The “dip” in silvopasture: why years 1–4 feel like a grind
    • Shade as the low-hanging fruit — and why it’s only the beginning
    • Livestock pressure: how to protect trees when cattle, horses, and wildlife want to destroy them
    • Pruning young vs. established trees (and the dangers of over-pruning)
    • Species selection for different goals: shade, fodder, privacy screens, and livestock feed
    • Why mulberries and persimmons shine for pigs and poultry
    • Running pigs IN establishment-phase silvopasture (pros, cons, protection methods)
    • Tree spacing, patterns, and why grids usually beat random placements
    • Managing compaction, vole pressure, and bark hardening
    • Year Zero → Year Two: fall tasks, maintenance, ordering trees, and setting up for success
    • Why early wins matter psychologically (and how to get them)
    • Continuous grazing vs rotational grazing when it comes to tree crops

    If you’re serious about silvopasture, this episode gives you a roadmap from the ground up — from species selection and timing to realistic maintenance and livestock integration. Austin breaks down the parts most graziers underestimate: the grind, the setbacks, and the discipline it takes before shade and feed finally show up. Whether you’re planting five trees or five hundred, you’ll walk away with clearer steps and fewer unknowns.


    Resources mentioned:

    • Trees for Graziers — treesforgraziers.com
    • Castor oil vole deterrent products
    • Acres U.S.A. (publisher of Austin’s upcoming second edition)
    • Liberty apple, crabapple, and apple-crab varieties
    • Hybrid willow, hybrid poplar, black locust, honey locust
    • Rusted Plowshare Farm (Josh Payne)

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    1 h et 10 min
  • 196. Regenerative Grazing and Direct Marketing Success with Leslie Svacina
    Nov 12 2025

    Leslie returns to share what’s changed since her first appearance in Episode 28. She runs Cylon Rolling Acres in northwestern Wisconsin, where she grazes both goats and Texel sheep on pasture and markets meat directly to consumers through a thriving online business. This episode dives deep into her evolution from wholesale to a sustainable, subscription-based direct-to-consumer model — plus her approach to regenerative grazing with multi-species livestock.


    Topics Covered

    • Managing a mixed flock of goats and Texel sheep under rotational grazing
    • Wool utilization and creative uses for lower-grade fleece
    • Transitioning from wholesale markets to direct-to-consumer meat sales
    • Building a loyal customer base through email marketing and education
    • Details of her goat meat subscription model (quarterly boxes, whole-goat option)
    • Processing and shipping logistics, including use of dry ice
    • Lessons from receiving USDA Value-Added Producer and Buy Local grants
    • Educational resources: Goat Meat Primer eBook, Grazing With Leslie blog, and online courses

    If you’ve ever wondered how to turn a small ruminant enterprise into a profitable, direct-to-consumer brand, Leslie’s model is a must-hear. She shares practical insight on managing inventory, shipping meat, marketing through education, and keeping customers subscribed.


    Resources Mentioned

    • CylonRollingAcres.com
      – Farm website for direct meat sales
    • GrazingWithLeslie.com
      – Educational blog for producers
    • GrassWorks Grazing Conference (Wisconsin)

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    1 h et 24 min
  • 195. South Poll Field Day Special: Real Ranchers, Real Results
    Nov 5 2025

    In this special in-person episode recorded at the South Poll Field Day, Cal sits down with some of the biggest names connected to the South Poll breed and regenerative grazing movement — Teddy Gentry, Greg Judy, Ralph & Jerry Voss, Steve Freeman, and Nathan Hahn.


    You’ll hear the story of how the South Poll breed was created, the philosophy behind it, and how it continues to thrive on real-world farms. From developing heat-tolerant genetics and maintaining fertility in tough environments to direct-to-consumer beef and breeding program strategies, this episode captures a living snapshot of regenerative cattle culture in action.


    Guests include:

    • 🧬 Teddy Gentry — Founder of the South Poll breed, sharing its origin, composite makeup, and the importance of fertility, longevity, and line breeding for efficiency.
    • 🌱 Greg Judy — Missouri grazier explaining how South Polls transformed his operation, reduced inputs, and made it possible to quit his off-farm job.
    • 👩‍🌾 Ralph & Jerry Voss — Longtime breeders whose herd and friendship with Greg Judy led to some of the most influential South Poll genetics today.
    • 🐄 Steve Freeman — Missouri cattleman with over 40 years of experience, describing how South Polls helped him achieve 95% conception rates and a truly profitable grass-only system.
    • 🥩 Nathan Hahn — Kentucky farmer finishing and selling beef direct-to-consumer, detailing how South Polls fit perfectly into a low-input, grass-finished operation.

    Why You Should Listen

    Whether you raise South Polls or not, this episode is packed with wisdom about:

    • Selecting for fertility and longevity over size or EPDs.
    • Building a profitable cow herd that thrives on grass alone.
    • Breeding and marketing strategies for grass-fed genetics.
    • The real-world economics and mindset shifts behind regenerative ranching.
    • How smaller, calmer, efficient cattle can make you money — and peace of mind.

    It’s part history lesson, part grazing masterclass, and a celebration of the community driving the South Poll breed forward.

    Resources Mentioned

    • South Poll Grass Cattle Association
    • Greg Judy – Green Pastures Farm
    • Voss South Polls
    • Unity Farms

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    2 h et 2 min
  • 194. Grazing Smarter in North Dakota with Fourth Generation Rancher Shane Maddock
    Oct 29 2025

    In this episode, Cal visits with Shane Maddock, a fourth-generation rancher from north-central North Dakota, where cattle country meets farm country. Shane shares the story of building a regenerative operation through drought, grazing challenges, and generations of learning. He discusses taking over a neighbor’s ranch after returning from National Guard service, developing cross-fenced paddocks and a positive/negative electric system, managing water in the Prairie Pothole Region, and adjusting his grazing philosophy from “a third, a third, a third” to adaptive management guided by what the grass and cattle tell him.


    Topics covered

    • Growing up on a holistic-management ranch and learning from his father
    • Leasing cattle and structuring multi-year cow leases
    • Designing high-tensile fencing and pos/neg wiring for sandy soils
    • Transitioning from mild rotation to intensive adaptive grazing
    • Managing drought risk with insurance pastures and flexible enterprises
    • Using Rio Max minerals and observing dramatic feed-efficiency gains
    • Calving-date adjustments and hybrid-vigor breeding decisions
    • Founding Maddock Ranch Supply and serving the community
    • His father receiving North Dakota’s Leopold Conservation Award

    If you’ve ever wondered how to keep cows productive through seven drought years out of eleven—or how to balance generational wisdom with modern regenerative ideas—Shane’s story delivers practical lessons on adaptation, family teamwork, and faith in the land’s resilience.


    Resources mentioned

    • Maddock Ranch maddockranch.com
    • Maddock Ranch Supply maddockranchsupply.com
    • Man, Cattle and Veld – Johan Zietsman
    • Grass-Fed Cattle – Julius Ruechel
    • Holistic Management – Allan Savory
    • Dirt to Soil – Gabe Brown
    • North Dakota Grazing Lands Coalition Mentorship Program
    • Rio Max Minerals - riomax.net

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    1 h et 12 min
  • 193. Building Intentional Farms from Neglected Land with Stan Oller
    Oct 22 2025

    Stan and his wife began farming in 2021 after adopting four children and realizing they wanted to raise them with meaningful work and stewardship. Starting with neglected, junk-filled land, they’ve built a regenerative, multi-species farm from scratch—learning through Greg Judy, Joel Salatin, and hands-on mistakes.


    Topics Covered

    • Moving from western Kansas to Arkansas and starting a farm from nothing
    • Adopting four children and using the farm as a teaching tool
    • Restoring neglected land and hauling off 340 tires
    • Early livestock: 11 heifers → sheep → pigs → broilers
    • Grant funding from Illinois River Watershed for water lines and fencing
    • Pivoting from South Poll beef to a sheep-focused enterprise
    • Leader-follower grazing with cattle and hair sheep
    • Using C-90 salt, garlic, and apple cider vinegar for mineral programs
    • Direct-marketing lamb, pork, and chicken through GrazeCart
    • Adding pigs to utilize 30 acres of woods and reduce ticks
    • Launching on-farm poultry processing (non-GMO, soy-free feed)
    • Stewardship mindset and educational outreach via Harvest Hosts & farm visits
    • Future plans: farrow-to-finish Hereford pigs, possible Dexter cows for raw milk, on-farm events, and intentional growth

    Stan’s story is a realistic look at starting late, learning fast, and doing it intentionally. From adoption to regenerative restoration, he shows how faith, family, and stewardship intersect on a small Arkansas farm. Whether you’re reclaiming abused land or diversifying your livestock, his experience offers encouragement and practical takeaways.


    Resources Mentioned

    • Intentional Farms
    • Greg Judy Grazing School
    • Joel Salatin videos
    • The Stockman Grass Farmer
    • GrazeCart e-commerce platform
    • Illinois River Watershed Alliance grants

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    1 h et 12 min
  • 192. Fitness Meets Farming in the Ottawa Valley with Adam Phomin
    Oct 15 2025

    In this episode, Cal talks with Adam Phomin from Hoof and Beak Farm in eastern Ontario, Canada. Adam shares his journey from fitness coach and gym owner to regenerative farmer, raising sheep, cattle, chickens, and llamas on his 100-acre farm. A first-generation farmer, Adam connects his passion for health and nutrition to raising his own protein and improving the land. He discusses starting from scratch, lessons learned fencing and grazing, using polywire for sheep, the role of llamas as guardians, and the importance of daily progress—both in farming and fitness. Adam also introduces his 5 AM Squat Club, a mindset and movement program he leads live each morning on YouTube.


    Topics Covered

    • Transitioning from fitness and nutrition to regenerative farming
    • Building a 100-acre farm from hayed and degraded land
    • Starting with chickens and moving into Katahdin sheep
    • Breeding strategies and learning from experience
    • Grazing management with polywire and limited time
    • Lessons learned from predator pressure and livestock guardians
    • Sourcing and raising cattle for seasonal grazing
    • Marketing protein through his gym community
    • The 5 AM Squat Club: combining mindset, movement, and purpose
    • The importance of identity, consistency, and small daily steps

    If you’re just getting started or balancing farming with another career, this episode is packed with relatable insights. Adam’s story proves you can build a regenerative operation from scratch—even without an ag background—by focusing on health, mindset, and progress over perfection. His fitness perspective offers a refreshing reminder that farmers are athletes too, and taking care of your body is key to taking care of your land.

    Resources Mentioned

    • Hoof and Beak Farm: Instagram / Website – @hoofandbeak
    • 5 AM Squat Club: YouTube Channel
    • Podcasts: Working Cows, Ranching Returns, Beyond Labels (Joel Salatin & Sina McCullough), Ranching Reboot

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    1 h et 19 min