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  • Founders Cannot Outsource Recruiting

    Founders Cannot Outsource Recruiting
    Dec 17 2025
    Growth Newsletter: https://levelingup.beehiiv.com/subscribe Need marketing help? Visit: https://www.singlegrain.com/ and https://npdigital.com/ Want to recruit great marketers? Find them here: https://marketingschool.io/hire Neil and Eric break down why founders can’t outsource recruiting, how “A players” attract more A players, and why the first hires become your company’s DNA. They share a real hiring story (an “expensive” bet that paid off), a simple test to spot weak links on a team, and why replacing instead of micromanaging unlocks self-managing teams. You’ll also hear practical retention ideas for top talent, plus a quick take on YouTube growth trends, packaging vs. over-optimizing metrics, and why niche, high-intent audiences monetize better. Sponsored mention: Karrot.ai. Key takeaways: -A-players hire A-players, fast. -Don’t manage harder, hire better. -Views are vanity, revenue is strategy. Chapters: 00:00 Founder-led recruiting matters 01:00 Co-founder recruiting leverage 02:10 Expensive hire, huge upside 04:51 Naval’s “team interview” test 06:11 Replace, don’t micromanage 07:10 Small team, better results 08:01 Retain talent with alignment 09:09 ABM ads and landing pages 10:01 YouTube trend: simpler edits 14:30 Brain-rot views vs revenue 18:31 Wide TAM vs BOFU content 19:12 Growth metrics and focus 21:36 Entrepreneurship is a game 𝗔𝗕𝗢𝗨𝗧 𝗧𝗛𝗘 𝗖𝗛𝗔𝗡𝗡𝗘𝗟 Welcome to Marketing School, one of the top business podcasts with over 61 million downloads. Each episode delivers actionable marketing tips and strategies from two entrepreneurs who truly practice what they preach. The show is hosted by Eric Siu, founder of Leveling Up and Single Grain, and Neil Patel, co-founder of Neil Patel Digital and recognized by Forbes as a Top 10 Marketer. 🎙️ Learn More About the Hosts Eric Siu – Leveling Up: https://www.youtube.com/@LevelingUpOfficial Neil Patel: https://www.youtube.com/@neilpatel 📩 Free Resources Ubersuggest: https://www.ubersuggest.com/ Answer The Public: https://www.answerthepublic.com/ ✅ Subscribe for Daily Marketing Insights!
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    24 min
  • The decline of AI

    The decline of AI
    Dec 16 2025
    Growth Newsletter: https://levelingup.beehiiv.com/subscribe Need marketing help? Visit: https://www.singlegrain.com/ and https://npdigital.com/ Want to recruit great marketers? Find them here: https://marketingschool.io/hire Neil and Eric break down the “decline of AI” narrative and why red growth charts for vibe coding tools like Cursor, Lovable, and Windsurf can be misleading. They unpack churn vs stickiness, unrealistic ARR expectations, and why enterprise coding revenue (especially Anthropic Claude Code) still signals strength. Using Ramp AI Index spend data, they discuss the momentum of OpenAI, Anthropic, and Google, plus why marketers are shifting from tool-chasing to KPI-driven fundamentals. They also review Granola AI meeting notes and why data verification matters. Key takeaways: -AI bubble fears ≠ AI slowdown -Enterprise AI adoption is the real signal -Verify AI outputs before decisions Chapters: 00:00 AI “death” chart debate 02:00 Data accuracy and enterprise revenue 03:18 Unrealistic ARR growth expectations 06:48 Data labeling and AI gold rush 08:04 MP Digital and SEO tools 08:21 Ramp AI Index adoption trends 10:48 Marketing shifts from tool-chasing 12:44 Granola AI meeting note-taker 16:45 Claude vs ChatGPT data accuracy 18:11 Verify numbers before presenting 𝗔𝗕𝗢𝗨𝗧 𝗧𝗛𝗘 𝗖𝗛𝗔𝗡𝗡𝗘𝗟 Welcome to Marketing School, one of the top business podcasts with over 61 million downloads. Each episode delivers actionable marketing tips and strategies from two entrepreneurs who truly practice what they preach. The show is hosted by Eric Siu, founder of Leveling Up and Single Grain, and Neil Patel, co-founder of Neil Patel Digital and recognized by Forbes as a Top 10 Marketer. 🎙️ Learn More About the Hosts Eric Siu – Leveling Up: https://www.youtube.com/@LevelingUpOfficial Neil Patel: https://www.youtube.com/@neilpatel 📩 Free Resources Growth Newsletter: https://levelingup.beehiiv.com/subscribe Ubersuggest: https://www.ubersuggest.com/ Answer The Public: https://www.answerthepublic.com/ ✅ Subscribe for Daily Marketing Insights!
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    22 min
  • The Strip Club Sales Lesson That 10x's Your Pricing

    The Strip Club Sales Lesson That 10x's Your Pricing
    Dec 15 2025
    To get ad placements on premium websites, go to https://discover.taboola.com/ms. Growth Newsletter: https://levelingup.beehiiv.com/subscribe Need marketing help? Visit: https://www.singlegrain.com/ and https://npdigital.com/ Want to recruit great marketers? Find them here: https://marketingschool.io/hire In this episode, Neil and Eric debate whether running a company is like raising kids, then pivot into a wild pricing lesson: how “at capacity” scarcity can filter buyers and increase close rates for consultants and service businesses. They unpack where fake scarcity breaks (enterprise), why AI is reshaping marketing agencies, and how software plus services can stay differentiated. Plus, a look at Menlo Ventures’ enterprise GenAI data, why coding spend dominates, and why hallucinations hit marketing harder than verifiable domains like code. Key takeaways: -Scarcity is a filter, not a trick. -Enterprise buyers punish “we’re too busy.” -AI makes coding sticky, marketing messy. Chapters: 00:00 Company vs kids debate 03:44 Scarcity pricing strip club story 05:49 Where scarcity works (and fails) 07:05 AI marketing and agentic workflows 07:33 Double pay for AI fluency idea 09:46 Menlo Ventures enterprise AI stats 12:08 Software plus services differentiation 13:47 Department AI spend: coding leads 14:16 Hallucinations: marketing vs coding 16:57 Wrap and goodbye 𝗔𝗕𝗢𝗨𝗧 𝗧𝗛𝗘 𝗖𝗛𝗔𝗡𝗡𝗘𝗟 Welcome to Marketing School, one of the top business podcasts with over 61 million downloads. Each episode delivers actionable marketing tips and strategies from two entrepreneurs who truly practice what they preach. The show is hosted by Eric Siu, founder of Leveling Up and Single Grain, and Neil Patel, co-founder of Neil Patel Digital and recognized by Forbes as a Top 10 Marketer. 🎙️ Learn More About the Hosts Eric Siu – Leveling Up: https://www.youtube.com/@LevelingUpOfficial Neil Patel: https://www.youtube.com/@neilpatel 📩 Free Resources Growth Newsletter: https://levelingup.beehiiv.com/subscribe Ubersuggest: https://www.ubersuggest.com/ Answer The Public: https://www.answerthepublic.com/ ✅ Subscribe for Daily Marketing Insights!
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    19 min
  • Why AEO is Overhyped

    Why AEO is Overhyped
    Dec 11 2025
    Growth Newsletter: https://levelingup.beehiiv.com/subscribe Need marketing help? Visit: https://www.singlegrain.com/ and https://npdigital.com/ Want to recruit great marketers? Find them here: https://marketingschool.io/hire In this episode, Neil and Eric debate whether answer engine optimization AEO is overhyped, breaking down Ahrefs data on ChatGPT vs Google traffic, why search still drives most discovery, and how to think about AI search optimization across ChatGPT, Gemini, Perplexity, and more. They share real AI ROI examples from Goldman Sachs research, talk LLM use cases for marketing, sales, and ops, discuss AI's impact on jobs, and reveal their favorite AI stocks and winning marketing formula heading into 2026. Key takeaways: • AEO vs SEO, why AI search is overhyped now but essential long term. • Real-world AI ROI from JP Morgan, UPS, Target, Chipotle, and more. • How Neil and Eric use ChatGPT, Gemini, Perplexity, and other LLMs to scale marketing. Chapters: 00:00 AEO vs SEO hype 01:02 ChatGPT vs Google traffic share 02:40 AEO short-term vs. long-term 05:55 LLM platform use cases 08:47 Real AI ROI case studies 11:02 AI, jobs, and 2027 outlook 12:59 Favorite AI stocks to watch 15:02 Hiring AI native marketers 17:16 2026 marketing experimentation playbook 𝗔𝗕𝗢𝗨𝗧 𝗧𝗛𝗘 𝗖𝗛𝗔𝗡𝗡𝗘𝗟 Welcome to Marketing School, one of the top business podcasts with over 61 million downloads. Each episode delivers actionable marketing tips and strategies from two entrepreneurs who truly practice what they preach. The show is hosted by Eric Siu, founder of Leveling Up and Single Grain, and Neil Patel, co-founder of Neil Patel Digital and recognized by Forbes as a Top 10 Marketer. 🎙️ Learn More About the Hosts Eric Siu – Leveling Up: https://www.youtube.com/@LevelingUpOfficial Neil Patel: https://www.youtube.com/@neilpatel 📩 Free Resources Growth Newsletter: https://levelingup.beehiiv.com/subscribe Ubersuggest: https://www.ubersuggest.com/ Answer The Public: https://www.answerthepublic.com/ ✅ Subscribe for Daily Marketing Insights!
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    20 min
  • Rich or King?

    Rich or King?
    Dec 10 2025
    Growth Newsletter: https://levelingup.beehiiv.com/subscribe Need marketing help? Visit: https://www.singlegrain.com/ and https://npdigital.com/ Want to recruit great marketers? Find them here: https://marketingschool.io/hire In this episode, Neil and Eric break down the concept of "Rich vs King" AKA Money Vs Power, using Microsoft vs SAS Institute to explore wealth vs control, equity, and generational businesses. They talk ambition after kids, compounding, TAM, IQ, focus, and why learning beats raw talent in entrepreneurship. You’ll hear how to think about billion dollar goals, picking the right niche (like HVAC), improving your focus over decades, and why B2B marketers misuse LinkedIn account-based marketing, plus how karrot.ai helps fix it. Key takeaways: -Rich vs king: choosing control or maximum upside as your company scales. -Compounding, focus and the right niche beat raw IQ in business. -Ambition, kids and balance reshape your path to billion dollar outcomes. Chapters: (00:00) Rich vs King for founders (02:10) Microsoft vs SAS Institute example (04:20) Rich, king, and life balance (06:15) Compounding, TAM, and ambition (08:10) IQ, learning and market niches (10:30) HVAC edge and simple businesses (12:30) Learning M&A, AI and recruiting (14:20) Focus over decades as founders (16:10) Money, distraction, and side projects (18:00) Hiring experts, SEO roots, wrap 𝗔𝗕𝗢𝗨𝗧 𝗧𝗛𝗘 𝗖𝗛𝗔𝗡𝗡𝗘𝗟 Welcome to Marketing School, one of the top business podcasts with over 61 million downloads. Each episode delivers actionable marketing tips and strategies from two entrepreneurs who truly practice what they preach. The show is hosted by Eric Siu, founder of Leveling Up and Single Grain, and Neil Patel, co-founder of Neil Patel Digital and recognized by Forbes as a Top 10 Marketer. 🎙️ Learn More About the Hosts Eric Siu – Leveling Up: https://www.youtube.com/@LevelingUpOfficial Neil Patel: https://www.youtube.com/@neilpatel 📩 Free Resources Ubersuggest: https://www.ubersuggest.com/ Answer The Public: https://www.answerthepublic.com/ ✅ Subscribe for Daily Marketing Insights!
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    21 min
  • Founders Must Let The Cake Bake

    Founders Must Let The Cake Bake
    Dec 9 2025
    Growth Newsletter: https://levelingup.beehiiv.com/subscribe Need marketing help? Visit: https://www.singlegrain.com/ and https://npdigital.com/ Want to recruit great marketers? Find them here: https://marketingschool.io/hire Neil and Eric break down why patience, focus, and real value creation beat hype, why hating billionaires signals misplaced blame, and why virality and vibe coding rarely build durable companies. They explore bad actors vs success, the trap of chasing views, and why true leverage comes from solving customer problems, not dopamine hits or internal DIY tools. A sharp look at modern startup culture, attention chasing, and what actually lasts. Key takeaways: • Patience compounds faster than virality • Value creation beats attention chasing • Focus builds generational companies Chapters: (00:00) Founder patience (02:20) Learning through osmosis (04:55) Billionaires debate (07:30) Vibe coding limits (11:55) Virality misconceptions (17:40) Operating vs popularity (20:40) Generational business mindset 𝗔𝗕𝗢𝗨𝗧 𝗧𝗛𝗘 𝗖𝗛𝗔𝗡𝗡𝗘𝗟 Welcome to Marketing School, one of the top business podcasts with over 61 million downloads. Each episode delivers actionable marketing tips and strategies from two entrepreneurs who truly practice what they preach. The show is hosted by Eric Siu, founder of Leveling Up and Single Grain, and Neil Patel, co-founder of Neil Patel Digital and recognized by Forbes as a Top 10 Marketer. 🎙️ Learn More About the Hosts Eric Siu – Leveling Up: https://www.youtube.com/@LevelingUpOfficial Neil Patel: https://www.youtube.com/@neilpatel 📩 Free Resources Ubersuggest: https://www.ubersuggest.com/ Answer The Public: https://www.answerthepublic.com/ ✅ Subscribe for Daily Marketing Insights!
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    24 min
  • Elon Musk: Live Events Are The Only Remaining Luxury

    Elon Musk: Live Events Are The Only Remaining Luxury
    Dec 8 2025
    To get ad placements on premium websites, go to https://discover.taboola.com/ms Need marketing help? Visit: https://www.singlegrain.com/ and https://npdigital.com/ Want to recruit great marketers? Find them here: https://marketingschool.io/hire Live events, in-person leadership, and long-term planning take center stage as Neil and Eric unpack why Elon Musk says live events are the last true luxury, how in-person time deepens team relationships, and why three-year planning beats short-term thinking. They break down accountability, B2B growth, RFP-focused marketing, and how great leaders push just hard enough to keep performance high without burning people out. Hosted by Neil and Eric, this episode is packed with actionable insights for founders, marketers, and B2B leaders looking to scale smarter. Key takeaways • Live events are the last real luxury • One metric per leader drives accountability • Great leaders push hard without burning people out Chapters (00:00) Elon Musk on live events as luxury (01:22) Why in-person events still matter (03:33) New marketing content formats with the team (05:18) Deepening relationships with in-person time (06:11) Three-year planning and 3HAG explained (08:40) Beyond EOS and quarterly planning theater (11:12) RFP growth, B2B pipeline, and key channels (13:28) Holding leaders accountable to one core metric (15:19) Pushing teams, follow-ups, and daily metrics (18:32) Healthy tension, chaos, and getting things done (20:24) Founder pressure, AI feedback, and leadership style (21:45) When people can’t handle the pace in business 𝗔𝗕𝗢𝗨𝗧 𝗧𝗛𝗘 𝗖𝗛𝗔𝗡𝗡𝗘𝗟 Welcome to Marketing School, one of the top business podcasts with over 61 million downloads. Each episode delivers actionable marketing tips and strategies from two entrepreneurs who truly practice what they preach. The show is hosted by Eric Siu, founder of Leveling Up and Single Grain, and Neil Patel, co-founder of Neil Patel Digital and recognized by Forbes as a Top 10 Marketer. 🎙️ Learn More About the Hosts Eric Siu – Leveling Up: https://www.youtube.com/@LevelingUpOfficial Neil Patel: https://www.youtube.com/@neilpatel 📩 Free Resources Growth Newsletter: https://levelingup.beehiiv.com/subscribe Ubersuggest: https://www.ubersuggest.com/ Answer The Public: https://www.answerthepublic.com/ ✅ Subscribe for Daily Marketing Insights!
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    24 min
  • What's Working For Us In Marketing Right Now?

    What's Working For Us In Marketing Right Now?
    Dec 4 2025
    Growth Newsletter: https://levelingup.beehiiv.com/subscribe Need marketing help? Visit: https://www.singlegrain.com/ and https://npdigital.com/ Want to recruit great marketers? Find them here: https://marketingschool.io/hire Neil and Eric share real-world B2B marketing strategies for 2025 and 2026, covering how to buy failing SEO tools to drive traffic, scale corporate webinars, double down on product-led growth, and use live events and paid speaking engagements to fill your pipeline. They break down AI SEO, social content hooks, enterprise sales psychology, and Peter Thiel’s “one thing” focus so you can drive more revenue and help clients hit their KPIs. Key takeaways: Scale B2B leads through events, corporate webinars, and strategic speaking engagements. Use AI SEO and content collabs to compound organic growth. Win enterprise deals by focusing on buyer KPIs and promotions. Chapters: 00:00 Buying products instead of ads 00:24 Acquiring failing SEO tools 00:44 Corporate webinars for B2B leads 01:29 In-person events and live streaming 02:35 Paid ads, PLG, and expansion 03:26 Conference luncheons and wrong events 04:00 B2B SaaS events and collabs 04:24 AI SEO, webinars, and social content 05:22 Hooks, captions, and social reach 06:11 Sponsoring events and paying to speak 08:17 Repurposing podcasts into infographics 09:23 Peter Thiel’s one-thing focus 10:27 Executive KPIs and revenue focus 11:24 Product growth without marketing 12:19 CEO vs operator responsibilities 12:56 COO profitability test in 2026 14:17 Enterprise sales hack with peer pressure 15:26 Closing by aligning with KPIs 16:25 Helping clients get promoted 𝗔𝗕𝗢𝗨𝗧 𝗧𝗛𝗘 𝗖𝗛𝗔𝗡𝗡𝗘𝗟 Welcome to Marketing School, one of the top business podcasts with over 61 million downloads. Each episode delivers actionable marketing tips and strategies from two entrepreneurs who truly practice what they preach. The show is hosted by Eric Siu, founder of Leveling Up and Single Grain, and Neil Patel, co-founder of Neil Patel Digital and recognized by Forbes as a Top 10 Marketer. 🎙️ Learn More About the Hosts Eric Siu – Leveling Up: https://www.youtube.com/@LevelingUpOfficial Neil Patel: https://www.youtube.com/@neilpatel 📩 Free Resources Growth Newsletter: https://levelingup.beehiiv.com/subscribe Ubersuggest: https://www.ubersuggest.com/ Answer The Public: https://www.answerthepublic.com/ ✅ Subscribe for Daily Marketing Insights!
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    19 min