In 1919, eight men—some stars, some role players, all wearing the same crisp white uniform—made a decision that would rewrite the rules of American sports forever. In this episode of The Adrian Moment, Ocean Murff and Jim Pullen sit down with John Sayles’ 1988 film Eight Men Out, a dramatization of the Black Sox scandal, and find themselves caught in a dense web of baseball, economics, betrayal, and mythmaking.

But what if Shoeless Joe Jackson wasn’t the folk hero we make him out to be? What if these players weren’t victims of greedy owners and shady gamblers, but instead just a group of men who made a deeply human, deeply flawed choice? What if the real tragedy wasn’t that they were punished too harshly—but that they weren’t nearly clever enough in their deceit?

This is an episode about history, yes—but more than that, it’s about how we choose to remember. Ocean plays the skeptic, peeling away the mythos of Shoeless Joe and the halo around Buck Weaver. Jim plays the historian, a lover of the game trying to reconcile his boyhood baseball heroes with the adult realities of systemic corruption and personal failure. Along the way, they debate D.B. Sweeney’s acting choices, the legality of sports betting in 1919, and why Michael Rooker might be the perfect sleaze.

There’s a fight about Kevin Costner. A surprisingly heated discussion about catcher’s mitts. And a brilliantly meandering detour into whether White Men Can’t Jump qualifies as a sports gambling movie. This isn’t just about a film. It’s about what we talk about when we talk about baseball—and who we choose to forgive.

Because sometimes, the game isn’t just about wins and losses. Sometimes, the real story is the one we tell after the final inning.

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If You Build It, Will They Clap?

It’s hard to overstate what Hoosiers means to a certain breed of sports movie fan. But do Ocean and Jim buy the hype? This week, Ocean, making his rookie appearance with the film, and Jim, decades removed from his last viewing, take the full-court press to Indiana’s mythic hardwood, looking for answers in small-town dust and the echo of slow claps. Is this the David and Goliath story you remember, or just a fairy tale draped in team colors and nostalgia? Turns out, for all the talk of underdogs, the real Goliath here might be the memory of watching sports movies when you were a kid.

Ocean’s never seen the film—Jim practically grew up with it—and that split leads to a conversation about how Hoosiers lands (or doesn’t) in 2024. They dig into the oddities: Gene Hackman’s “perpetually 80” aura, Dennis Hopper’s perhaps-unnecessary Oscar-nominated town drunk, the inexplicable lack of credit for military service in small-town Indiana, and, yes, the slow clap—Hoosiers or Lucas, which came first? There’s real warmth for the film’s spirit of community and second chances, but also an honest accounting for the ways time, distance, and real-life history have left some of the “true story” on the cutting room floor. Ocean and Jim ask: when you strip away the mythology, what are you really rooting for? And is that enough?

If you’ve ever wondered why sports movies are less about the game and more about who’s sitting in the stands—or if you just want to argue about who invented the slow clap—this is your episode.

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Boxing is dead. Long live boxing. Or, actually, long live robots punching each other into scrap metal while Hugh Jackman does his best impression of a man who should be less likable than he is. That’s the premise at the heart of Real Steel, and if it sounds absurd, you’re not wrong. But here’s the twist: Ocean and Jim spend ninety minutes proving that absurdity, when executed with enough chutzpah, heart, and spare robot parts, sometimes works out just fine.

This week, Ocean Murff (forever the Adam to Jim Pullen’s Max, or vice versa—good luck keeping it straight) pick apart Real Steel with the unflinching eye of two guys who know exactly how sports movies manipulate us—and still find themselves getting a little misty when the underdog robot takes one on the chin. Or the servo. Or whatever robots have.

They start, naturally, with UFC nostalgia and the eternal debate: is it still a sport if no one’s bleeding? From there, it’s a hop, skip, and full-body mirroring routine to the movie’s big question: why does a film about robot boxing make you care about broken people? Is it just Jackman’s “Wolverine effect”—no matter how many bad decisions he makes, you still want to root for him? Or is it something more elemental, buried in the scrapheap of every father-son sports movie ever made?

Ocean, who sees a little too much dignity in a dented robot’s gaze, wonders if Real Steel is really the story of Adam, the world’s most underappreciated sparring bot, finally getting his shot at the title. Jim, ever the pragmatist, roots for the kid to sell his dad on the radical notion that he’s worth sticking around for. Somehow, everyone ends up caring about a metal man with no lines and a child who refuses to be left at the gym.

They detour into essential but unanswerable questions: How does Bailey’s gym stay open if no one ever shows up? Why does Aunt Debra, the only functional adult, get painted as a villain? And exactly how illegal is robot-fighting-betting if Anthony Mackie’s character runs the book in broad daylight?

Somehow, none of this derails the central thesis: Real Steel shouldn’t work, and yet it lands—if not a knockout, then at least a split decision that’ll keep you watching until the final bell. You’ll care about the robots. You’ll care about the kid. You’ll even care about Hugh Jackman’s comeback arc, despite every screenwriting trick you can see coming a mile away.

Is this the next great sports movie? Ocean and Jim aren’t here to answer that. But they’ll make you believe that somewhere, in a gym that should be bankrupt, a robot named Adam is still dreaming of a title shot.

Listen. Disagree. Then admit you got a little choked up, too.

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