In this episode of the Backstage Pastors Podcast, hosts Phil and Tyler kick off the series by welcoming longtime executive pastor, author, and consultant Mike Bonem. The conversation centers on the origins and evolution of the executive pastor (XP) and second-chair leader role, drawing heavily from Mike’s seminal book Leading from the Second Chair and his more recent work Thriving in the Second Chair.

Mike shares the story behind writing one of the first books focused on second-chair leadership, reflects on how the XP role has changed over the past two decades, and offers practical wisdom for sustaining long-term effectiveness in backstage ministry. The discussion also explores challenges around change management in churches, delegation, metrics, and how second-chair leaders can find encouragement and visible impact even when their work often happens behind the scenes.

Resources Mentioned

• Unstuck Event: Church Building Masterclass with Phil Taylor

• Leading from the Second Chair by Mike Bonem

• Thriving in the Second Chair by Mike Bonem

• Leading Congregational Change by Mike Bonem

• In Pursuit of Great and Godly Leadership by Mike Bonem

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CHAPTERS

01:40 – Series Overview and Defining the Executive Pastor Role

03:17 – Announcement: Church Building Projects Masterclass

06:24 – Introducing Mike Bonem

08:38 – The Story Behind Leading from the Second Chair

12:38 – Why Thriving in the Second Chair Was Written

14:04 – Extending Your Shelf Life in Ministry

17:00 – Finding Encouragement in Backstage Ministry

24:50 – Why Change Is So Hard in Churches

33:09 – Preparing for the Executive Pastor Role

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In this preview episode, hosts Phil Taylor and Tyler Drewitz introduce the Backstage Pastors™️ Podcast, a show created specifically for executive pastors and second-chair leaders in churches and nonprofits. They unpack why a niche podcast like this is needed, explain the “backstage pastors” concept, share their ministry journeys, and outline what listeners can expect when the show officially launches on January 21, 2026.

Phil and Tyler talk about their heart for under-the-radar leaders who bring vision into reality, their desire to platform both well-known and lesser-known practitioners, and their hope that the podcast will be a high-ROI investment for the Kingdom by resourcing those who rarely get the spotlight but carry enormous responsibility.

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✉️ Get Phil's Newsletter

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💻plainjoestudios.com

Connect with Tyler Drewitz

✉️ ⁠tyler@myxp.church⁠

🗣️ ⁠@tylerdrewitz⁠

💻 myxp.church

💻ridgelineprinting.com

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Chapters

00:00:00 – Welcome to the Backstage Pastors Podcast

00:00:45 – Why Another Leadership Podcast?

00:02:28 – The Executive Pastor Niche and Phil’s Book Journey

00:04:29 – Meet Co-Host Tyler: Roles, Churches, and Businesses

00:05:59 – Meet Host Phil Taylor: Coaching, Cohorts, and Plain Joe Studios

00:09:39 – The “Backstage Pastors” Idea and Story Behind the Name

00:12:44 – Why This Podcast Matters for Second-Chair Leaders

00:19:04 – Launch Date, Release Schedule, and First Guest Preview

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Editing and Support by The Good Podcast Co.