In the past, debates over worship styles were often marked by generational differences; however, a new article suggests that this is changing. For Gen Z, worship preferences may be dividing along gender lines instead. For younger Christians, is CCM from Venus and liturgy from Mars? Drew Dyck joins Skye and Kaitlyn to discuss the evidence, the implications, and the solution for the worship gender divide. Then, Kaitlyn interviews Patrick Miller about his new book with co-author Keith Simon, “Joyful Outsiders.” He says there are six different ways we can respond to the loss of Christian cultural power, but all of them should be marked with joy rather than fear or anger. Also this week—listeners react to our criticism of “asking Jesus into your heart,” and pigeons on a plane.

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13:07 - Jesus in Your Heart Response

25:27 - The Gen Z Worship War

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54:15 - Interview

55:55- What Does it Mean to Be Joyful Outsiders?

1:00:20 - Are Christians Always Outsiders?

1:14:20 - Prophets and Hope

1:20:08 - Approaching Joyful Living

1:31:00 - End Credits

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Pigeons on a Plane!

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Gen Z Gender Worship War:

https://www.christianitytoday.com/2025/05/gen-z-worship-war-men-women-ccm-liturgy-tradition/

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Phil, Kaitlyn, and Skye respond to questions from the listeners, including whether lay people should go to seminary, how important is attending a church after being hurt by one, and whether Christians should make violent video games. They also venture into theological topics like what pronouns are appropriate for God, what doctrines do we emphasize too much, and why they all think telling kids to “ask Jesus into your heart” is a bad idea. The crew also revisits the topic of Project 2025 and whether they regret their dismissive opinions about it from before the election. Also this week—Skye reveals plans for his new project with Holy Post Media, and one listener's question prompts Kaitlyn to make a big announcement.

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5:04 - Is Protesting in Rotunda Illegal?

7:04 - Skye’s Next Book?

11:35 - Should Laypeople Go Into Seminary?

16:00 - What Do We Mean “Jesus in My Heart?”

24:00 - Project 2025

32:00 - Clarifying vs Changing Scripture

39:00 - Christians Making Video Games?

49:00 - What Theological Issues Do We Overrate?

55:00 - Church Community

59:33 - Special Question

1:06:01 - End Credits

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