In the past, debates over worship styles were often marked by generational differences; however, a new article suggests that this is changing. For Gen Z, worship preferences may be dividing along gender lines instead. For younger Christians, is CCM from Venus and liturgy from Mars? Drew Dyck joins Skye and Kaitlyn to discuss the evidence, the implications, and the solution for the worship gender divide. Then, Kaitlyn interviews Patrick Miller about his new book with co-author Keith Simon, “Joyful Outsiders.” He says there are six different ways we can respond to the loss of Christian cultural power, but all of them should be marked with joy rather than fear or anger. Also this week—listeners react to our criticism of “asking Jesus into your heart,” and pigeons on a plane.

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2:55 - Theme Song

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5:36 - Animal News

13:07 - Jesus in Your Heart Response

25:27 - The Gen Z Worship War

36:23 - Low Church to High Church

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54:15 - Interview

55:55- What Does it Mean to Be Joyful Outsiders?

1:00:20 - Are Christians Always Outsiders?

1:14:20 - Prophets and Hope

1:20:08 - Approaching Joyful Living

1:31:00 - End Credits

Links from News Segment:

Pigeons on a Plane!

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/delta-flight-erupts-chaos-pigeons-fly-main-cabin-rcna209400

Gen Z Gender Worship War:

https://www.christianitytoday.com/2025/05/gen-z-worship-war-men-women-ccm-liturgy-tradition/

Other Resources:

Joyful Outsiders: Six Ways to Live Like Jesus in a Disorienting Culture: https://a.co/d/9ouoDCT

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Phil, Kaitlyn, and Skye respond to questions from the listeners, including whether lay people should go to seminary, how important is attending a church after being hurt by one, and whether Christians should make violent video games. They also venture into theological topics like what pronouns are appropriate for God, what doctrines do we emphasize too much, and why they all think telling kids to “ask Jesus into your heart” is a bad idea. The crew also revisits the topic of Project 2025 and whether they regret their dismissive opinions about it from before the election. Also this week—Skye reveals plans for his new project with Holy Post Media, and one listener's question prompts Kaitlyn to make a big announcement.

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2:30 - Theme Song

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5:04 - Is Protesting in Rotunda Illegal?

7:04 - Skye’s Next Book?

11:35 - Should Laypeople Go Into Seminary?

16:00 - What Do We Mean “Jesus in My Heart?”

24:00 - Project 2025

32:00 - Clarifying vs Changing Scripture

39:00 - Christians Making Video Games?

49:00 - What Theological Issues Do We Overrate?

55:00 - Church Community

59:33 - Special Question

1:06:01 - End Credits

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The White House is facing backlash for posting an AI image of Donald Trump as the Pope. Was it a careless joke or a calculated distraction? The most extensive study of its kind finds that the world’s largest Muslim country far outranks the United States in human flourishing, and also explains why secular elites are discovering a new respect for religion. But is there more than a practical purpose behind faith? Historian Beth Allison Barr is back to discuss her latest book, “Becoming the Pastor’s Wife.” She says expectations for ministry spouses aren’t rooted in Scripture but in a reaction to feminism in the late 20th century, and Barr explains how marriage replaced ordination as the way for women to serve the church. Also this week—listener questions, and a whole new look for Holy Post Media.

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15:10 - Comparing two recent interviews: Gillibrand and Kasich

28:10 - Pope Donald?

34:24 - Human Flourishing Study in Indonesia!

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56:50 - Interview

1:02:24 - Danver’s Statement

1:09:09 - Rooted in America, not Scripture

1:19:19 - Honoring Responsibility

1:32:55 - End Credits

Links from News Segment:

Religion and Happiness in Indonesia:

https://providencemag.com/2025/05/largest-longitudinal-study-of-human-flourishing-ever-shows-religions-importance/

Young People and Unhappiness:

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2025/05/young-people-global-unhappiness/682632/

Tiktok Trend “Jesus Glow:”

https://www.salon.com/2025/05/05/tiktoks-jesus-glow-trend-exposes-the-emptiness-of-social-media-religion/

Other Resources:

Becoming the Pastor’s Wife: How Marriage Replaced Ordination as a Woman’s Path to Ministry by Beth Allison Barr: https://a.co/d/7kDNo1I

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Pope Francis died on Monday. Will the Catholic Church continue to move in the direction of inclusion and reform, or will it elect a more traditional leader in reaction to the last papacy? Mike Cosper is back to talk about his new podcast from Christianity Today about the Satanic Panic, “Devil and the Deep Blue Sea.” In the 1980s and 90s, the FBI investigated 11,000 reports of satanic ritual abuse, but did not uncover a single credible story. So, why were parents throughout the country worried that heavy metal music, board games, and the Smurfs would lead their kids into devil-worshipping cults? Cosper explains how hucksters leveraged fears over cultural change to create mass hysteria, and why lessons from the Satanic Panic are still relevant today. Also this week, Medieval art reveals the sounds and smells of hell.

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12:12 - News of the Butt, Medieval Art Edition

18:46 - Bosch Painting Translated into Music

24:24 - The Legacy of the Pope

32:35 - America vs. The Pope

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42:00 - Interview

46:23 - Why’s the Satanic Panic Relevant?

53:00 - What is the Satanic Panic?

1:01:03 - Hucksters Behind It

1:11:09 - Did People Want it to Be True?

1:28:45 - End Credits

Links from News Segment:

Reddit Discusses Medieval Face-Butts:

https://www.reddit.com/r/Medievalart/comments/rly22w/can_someone_please_explain_why_medieval_artwork/

Bosch Painting Translated to Music

https://www.classicfm.com/discover-music/periods-genres/renaissance/hieronymus-bosch-painting-naked-bum-music/

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Devil and the Deep Blue Sea from Christianity Today:

https://pod.link/1778512810

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It’s Holy Week, and an article in the New York Times argues that Palm Sunday wasn’t a worship procession; it was a protest march. With that theme in mind, Christians held peaceful rallies over the weekend in Philadelphia and San Diego to protest inhumane immigration enforcement policies, including the order allowing government agents into churches during worship gatherings to arrest people. Skye talks to Senator Kirsten Gillibrand (D-NY) about how her faith informs her politics, what lessons the Democrats have learned from their losses in 2024, and why more religious Americans view her party’s brand as “toxic.” Phil, Skye, and Kaitlyn then debrief the interview and discuss whether the Democrats’ struggle is just messaging or something deeper. Also this week: the problem with purple.

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7:15 - Purple Isn't Real?

17:40 - Christians Protesting ICE

25:05 - Was Palm Sunday a Protest?

34:50 - Why’re We Interviewing a Senator?

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38:05 - Interview

43:50 - Is the Republican Party Faith-Driven?

53:05 - Is the Democratic Brand Toxic?

1:10:30 - Debrief

1:16:20 - Trump Administration Holy Week Statement

1:28:45 - End Credits

Links from News Segment:

World Relief:

https://www.worldrelief.com/advocate

Purple Isn’t Real!

https://www.popularmechanics.com/science/a64393667/purple-is-fake/

Faith Groups Protest Ice:

https://religionnews.com/2025/04/07/pennsylvania-faith-groups-build-altar-at-ice-office-in-protest-of-immigration-arrests/?utm_medium=social

Palm Sunday was a Protest, Not a Procession:

https://www.nytimes.com/2025/04/13/opinion/palm-sunday-protest.html?searchResultPosition=5

White House Presidential Holy Week Message

https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefings-statements/2025/04/presidential-message-on-holy-week-2025/

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