Cameron Schwab became the youngest CEO in AFL history at just 24, going on to lead Richmond, Melbourne and Fremantle through some of their toughest chapters. Now the founder of Design CEO, he draws on those experiences to teach leaders how to thrive under pressure. In this chat, Cameron unpacks what true leadership looks like in high-stakes environments, why culture must be built on principles, not slogans, and why authenticity, courage and vulnerability matter more than ever.

On this episode, we discuss:

(00:00) Intro
(02:29) Carrying The Weight Of Leadership And Legacy
(04:36) Parenting, Perspective And The Role Of Family
(10:55) Becoming CEO of Richmond FC at 24 Years Old
(16:14) Taking On Richmond And Facing Financial Crisis
(20:09) Culture As An Outcome And Building The Right Team
(23:44) Why Authentic Leaders Must Be Vulnerable
(31:29) Four Key Questions Every Leader Should Answer
(35:09) Bringing Mistakes Into The Room And Learning From Them
(41:38) The Four Postures Of Effective Leadership Conversations
(45:31) Creating Your Leadership Trademark
(49:15) How Music And Daily Rituals Shape Leadership Mindset
(56:01) Overcoming Fear And Laziness As A Leader
(59:42) Making Sense, Meaning, Progress And Numbers
(01:02:00) Where To Find Cameron Schwab

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Hosts:
Nick Reilly
Jason Robinson
Martin Vidakovic

This podcast is produced by VIDPOD.

In this episode, we dive into the classic debate of property vs shares: which is the smarter way to build wealth in today’s market? We break down the pros and cons of both, from the barriers of deposits, debt, and cashflow in property to the accessibility and liquidity of shares, using real numbers over 20 years. If you’ve ever wondered whether you should buy that investment property or start a share portfolio, this episode will give you the clarity to make a more informed choice.

On this episode, we discuss:

(00:00) Intro
(00:04) Property Vs Shares
(06:56) The Big Advantages Of Shares For Everyday Investors
(08:51) Marty’s Changing View On Property Investment
(09:55) The True Cost Of A 30-Year Mortgage
(14:39) Negative Gearing And The Weekly Cashflow Drain
(16:18) Comparing 30 Years Of Property And Share Returns
(20:50) Leveraging Equity Into The Share Market
(23:10) Dividends Vs Paying Down Debt
(28:02) Emotional Strength Needed For Share Market Volatility
(32:17) New Rental Laws And The Shift In Property Ownership

Check out the free resources from Inovayt here.

Send us an email: hello@thenumbersgamepodcast.com.au

The Numbers Game is brought to you by Future Advisory & Inovayt.

Hosts:
Nick Reilly
Jason Robinson
Martin Vidakovic

This podcast is produced by VIDPOD.

We dive into why Melbourne could be on the verge of a property gold rush in 2025. We unpack the fundamentals driving growth; migration, affordability, and the rise of boutique apartments and townhouses, while debating whether investors are pulling back and owner-occupiers are taking over. We also share strategies for first home buyers and explore whether now is the time to buy before prices climb further.

On this episode, we discuss:

(00:00) Intro
(00:58) Could Melbourne Have A Property Gold Rush?
(01:27) Why Boutique Apartments And Townhouses Are Set To Boom
(05:32) Melbourne House Prices Vs Sydney: The Biggest Gap Ever
(06:02) Rental Vacancy Rates At Record Lows
(07:57) What Could Go Wrong For Melbourne Property?
(10:45) Are Investors Pulling Back And Owner-Occupiers Taking Over?
(15:03) The Hidden Costs That Push Landlords To Sell
(18:46) Should First Home Buyers Act Now Or Wait?
(21:54) The Rise Of Buyer’s Agents And Off-Market Deals

Check out the free resources from Inovayt here.

Send us an email: hello@thenumbersgamepodcast.com.au

The Numbers Game is brought to you by Future Advisory & Inovayt.

Hosts:
Nick Reilly
Jason Robinson
Martin Vidakovic

This podcast is produced by VIDPOD.