Traditional ways of working are failing in today's complex world, with global engagement levels dropping and productivity losses reaching $438 billion.

Adopting business agility – not just its tools and processes, but its mindset shifts – helps organisations move beyond outdated approaches and create more effective ways of working.

Joining Dan and Pia is Natal Dank, an HR author, speaker, and consultant specialising in helping businesses become great workplaces. Her work particularly focuses on HR and people teams, bringing business agility principles to organisations.

Three reasons to listen

1. To understand how business agility can help solve multifaceted problems in uncertain environments
2. To build effective teams that break down silos and harness diverse skills
3. To focus on solving real business challenges rather than getting caught up in tools and terminology

Episode highlights

• [00:09:16] The Agile mindset
• [00:13:46] Misconceptions around Agile
• [00:18:19] Agile people teams
• [00:23:05] Teams in name only
• [00:24:17] The challenges in adopting Agile
• [00:27:11] The evidence for Agile
• [00:31:58] Common objections to Agile
• [00:40:05] Leaders need to embrace complexity
• [00:41:26] What does "done" look like?
• [00:44:20] Protecting time for deep work
• [00:46:10] Where to start
• [00:48:58] Natal's media recommendation
• [00:50:35] Takeaways from Dan and Pia

Links

• Connect with Natal via LinkedIn
• On the Level – Margaret Heffernan’s Substack newsletter
• Track and improve your team performance with Squadify
• Leave us a voice note

Most change initiatives fail because they focus solely on technical aspects like planning, roles, and measures, while neglecting the human element – particularly the need for people to understand why changes are happening and to feel heard throughout the process.

Jeffrey Wetherhold is a behavioral scientist who’s built his career around organisational change management. He transitioned from behavioural science to community health, and now runs his own change management consultancy.

This conversation will help you

• Better understand why traditional technical change management approaches often fail
• Recognise and address the most fundamental barrier to organisational change
• Move beyond labels like "resistant" or "averse" and focus on different perspectives

Episode highlights

• [00:07:46] Understanding change management
• [00:11:21] When change feels weaponised
• [00:13:04] Overcoming resistance to change
• [00:15:05] Mmotivational interviewing.
• [00:17:47] Where to begin having the change conversation
• [00:23:12] Caught in the middle
• [00:27:01] The hierarchy of needs
• [00:30:30] What you can do today
• [00:32:44] Jeff's media recommendations
• [00:34:23] Takeaways from Dan and Pia

Links

• Connect with Jeff via LinkedIn
• How Minds Change: The New Science of Belief, Opinion and Persuasion, by David McRaney
• Build Something Better – The Raw Signal Group newsletter
• Track and improve your team performance with Squadify
• Leave us a voice note

Spiritual intelligence in leadership goes far beyond simply posting mission statements on walls - it's about cultivating fundamental qualities like purpose, gratitude, humility and presence that create genuinely harmonious and productive workplaces.

Research shows that leaders who embrace these qualities build teams with higher morale, greater commitment, and even better financial results.

Yosi Amram is an expert in spiritual intelligent leadership and a former Silicon Valley entrepreneur, leaving that role to become a clinical psychologist. His research on spiritual intelligence has been cited over a thousand times, proving that spiritual intelligence gets results.

Three reasons to listen

• Discover the 22 key qualities that contribute to better leadership and organisational outcomes
• Understand practical ways to reduce workplace toxicity and politics
• Explore how qualities like gratitude and humility can transform team dynamics and create more harmonious work environments

Episode highlights

• [00:11:25] Spiritual intelligence
• [00:21:13] Separation of church and state
• [00:24:34] Separating from the ego
• [00:29:48] Internal family systems
• [00:31:32] Overidentifying with the job
• [00:33:51] Where to start
• [00:37:54] Yosi's media recommendation
• [00:39:06] Takeaways from Pia and Dan

Links

• Spiritually Intelligent Leadership – Yosi‘s book
• No Bad Parts, by Richard Schwartz
• Take the Spiritual Intelligence assessment
• Track and improve your team performance with Squadify
• Atomic Habits, by James Clear
• Leave us a voice note