In a recent article published by Mia Lobel, ex Head of Content at Pushkin Industries, she decries the CPM model in podcasting, and that "The CPM model of advertising does not — and will not ever — work to sustain podcasting."

Join us as we dive deep into this topic with two podcasting pros.

Plus, Stupid Stuff in Podcasting and The Flattering Ram!

Co-hosts, Tom Webster(@webby2001 on Twitter ) and Gareth Davies(@garethsounds on Twitter) .

Links to interesting things from this episode

• Kathy Doyle | LinkedIn
• Independent Podcast Awards 2024
• Quill Podcast Agency | High-Quality Corporate Podcast Production
• CoHost | Podcast Analytics and Audience Insights
• Podcast Production Services | Lower Street
• The world's most influential branded podcasts - Pacific Content
• Alex Lieberman on X: "Unless you're an A-list celeb, big media co, or plan to sell your audience a high $ product, it makes no sense for you to launch a podcast right now." / X
• Podcast Advertising Rates [2024] | Ad Results Media
• Audioboom sees revenue growth
• Why our system for valuing podcasts is broken - Current

In & Around Podcasting is a podcast industry podcast brought to you by Mark Asquith and Danny Brown.

If you're an independent creator who would like to co-host with us, please let us know via Twitter (https://twitter.com/inaroundpodcast) and we'll get you booked!

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Mentioned in this episode:

A Breath of Fresh Air with Sandy Kaye

Join Sandy Kaye on A Breath of Fresh Air, a podcast that brings you intimate fireside chats with music legends of the 60s, 70s, and 80s. Note from Mark: as a rock fan... I mean... you HAVE to check out this podcast!!

A Breath of Fresh Air

The Podcast Show, London, 2024

Get ready for over 150 hours of content from a lineup wall-to-wall with some of the most recognisable voices in audio and major players in the UK and International podcast industry. And of course, Mark and the Captivate team (plus, team Global!) will be there to give some merch away and to speak on pressing topics for creators, and the industry at large!

The Podcast Show, London 2024

Spotify recently announced they've ceased their membership of the IAB (Interactive Advertising Bureau), which has long been seen as the standard for the podcast industry when it comes to analytics and measurement.

This announcement means Spotify for Podcasters (previously Anchor), Megaphone, and Chartable are no longer IAB Certified.

With the industry looking to standardize podcast measurement for both podcasters and sponsors/ad buyers, what now for the industry, with such a big player leaving the current standard?

About our co-host, James Cridland

James Cridland is Editor of Podnews, the daily podcast newsletter. He is a radio futurologist - a writer, consultant and public speaker on radio’s future. James has worked in audio since 1989 as an award-winning copywriter, radio presenter, and internet strategist.

@JamesCridland on Twitter

James's Website

Links to interesting things from this episode

• IAB Podcast Analytic Certification & Compliance Explained
• IAB “Compliance” or “Certified” - the difference
• Spotify leaves the IAB; no longer certified

In & Around Podcasting is a podcast industry podcast brought to you by Mark Asquith and Danny Brown.

If you're an independent creator who would like to co-host with us, please let us know via Twitter (https://twitter.com/inaroundpodcast) and we'll get you booked!

Please tell your friends that the show is available on Spotify (https://inandaroundpodcasting.com/spotify), (https://inandaroundpodcasting.com/apple) and YouTube (https://inandaroundpodcasting.com/youtube), plus wherever else they may listen to their podcasts.

The podcast is also available at https://www.inandaroundpodcasting.com.

Mentioned in this episode:

A Breath of Fresh Air with Sandy Kaye

Join Sandy Kaye on A Breath of Fresh Air, a podcast that brings you intimate fireside chats with music legends of the 60s, 70s, and 80s. Note from Mark: as a rock fan... I mean... you HAVE to check out this podcast!!

A Breath of Fresh Air

Many podcasts don't make it past episode five, according to new data from the Podcast Index. In this episode, Mark, Danny, Dave Jackson, and Ashley Hamer discuss the challenges and misconceptions surrounding podcasting.

Takeaways

• Many podcasts don't make it past episode five, possibly due to the rise of free podcast hosting platforms like Anchor, now Spotify for Podcasters.
• The lack of immediate feedback and community engagement in podcasting can be disheartening for new podcasters.
• The influx of celebrity podcasts and the perception of difficulty in getting noticed may discourage indie podcasters.
• To overcome these challenges, podcasters should focus on their internal motivation, have a long list of episode topics, and plan for breaks or hiatuses.
• Setting realistic expectations is crucial in podcasting, as it takes time and effort to grow an audience and make money.
• Podcasting is not a quick way to make six figures, and it's important to focus on creating valuable content and building a loyal audience.

Our co-hosts this week:

Ashley Hamer

Ashley Hamer is Managing Editor at Descript, an AI-powered audio and video editor. She's also the author of the Weekly Tweak, a newsletter that helps podcasters improve their show week by week, and the creator/host of Taboo Science, a podcast that examines taboos through a scientific lens. Formerly, she was the co-creator and co-host of Curiosity Daily, a daily science podcast from Discovery. She lives in Asheville, North Carolina with her husband and toddler daughter where she plays jazz saxophone at venues around the city.

@smashleyhamer on Twitter - Ashley on YouTube - Ashley's Website

Dave Jackson

Dave Jackson began podcasting in 2005 and launched the School of Podcasting (schoolofpodcasting.com). His School of Podcasting show has over 3.1 million downloads. He has helped hundreds of people plan, launch, and grow their podcasts. He is the author of the book Profit from your podcast and is a featured speaker at events. In 2016 Dave joined Libsyn (the largest podcast hosting company) as part of their tech support team. In 2018 he was inducted into the Academy of Podcasters Hall of Fame. His flagship show is at www.schoolofpodcast..com

@DaveJackson on Twitter - @schoolofpodcasting on Instagram - Dave on YouTube - Dave's Website Dave's Facebook page

Links to interesting things from this episode

• The Podcast Launch Accelerator - Free Online Podcast Course | Captivate
• Neil Scott | National Association of Addiction Treatment Providers
• Tink Media
• Podfade: surprising reasons why podcasters give up | Ana Xavier
• Total podcasts in the index - Podcast Index
• How many episodes do podcasts have? - Podcast Index
• How many podcasts make...