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  • Lessons About Customers and Experiences from Uber's New Advertising Campaign
    Sep 25 2025

    Adweek just did a write up on Uber's new ad campaign and we found reasons to concur with the article and take what Uber is doing farther. In this episode of the Experience Strategy Podcast, hosts Aranzas Savas, Joe Pine, and Dave Norton discuss Uber's new advertising campaign, focusing on its storytelling approach and the importance of experiences in marketing. They explore how Uber positions itself as a service that enables meaningful experiences, the emotional, social, and systemic jobs it could fulfill, and the broader implications for brands in commoditized industries. The conversation also delves into the significance of modes and situations in user experience, and how universal storytelling can resonate with diverse audiences.


    Takeaways

    • Uber's new campaign emphasizes storytelling over traditional advertising.
    • Experiences are crucial for differentiation in a commoditized market.
    • Uber positions itself as an enabler of meaningful experiences.
    • The campaign highlights reliability and dependability as key selling points.
    • Emotional and social jobs are opportunity areas for Uber experiences.
    • The storytelling is both universal and situational--and Tiktokky
    • Modes and situations play a significant role in Uber experiences.

    Chapters

    00:00 Introduction to Uber's New Campaign
    01:40 The Power of Storytelling in Advertising
    04:00 Experiences as Differentiation in Marketing
    07:28 The Role of Uber in Enabling Experiences
    09:47 Promises and Expectations in Service
    12:06 Social and Emotional Jobs of Uber
    13:47 Aspirational and Systemic Jobs to Be Done
    16:35 Modes and Situations in User Experience
    20:17 Universal Storytelling in Advertising
    22:24 Conclusion and Future Discussions

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    https://www.adweek.com/brand-marketing/uber-drives-home-the-power-of-showing-up-in-new-on-our-way-ad/

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    25 min
  • Pop Mart: A Case Study in Consumer Engagement
    Sep 16 2025

    In a recent HBR article, Yang Li shares his theory for how Pop Mart won young customers. But we think that fragmented attention is not what Pop Mart has mastered. Instead, they have mastered markets within/situational markets. In this conversation, the speakers delve into emphasizing the importance of customer engagement and customization. They discuss Pop Mart's innovative strategies for capturing consumer attention and fostering a sense of belonging among customers. The dialogue also explores the evolution of market segmentation, the significance of creating immersive experiences, and the need for brands to prioritize experience over traditional branding methods.

    Other brands discussed include Ffern, Lego, and Cracker Jacks.


    Takeaways

    • Attention is one of the three currencies of the experience economy. It's not an economy.
    • Pop Mart's success only partially lies in addressing fragmented consumer attention.
    • Demographics are not effective for understanding individual consumers.
    • Brands must cultivate surprise and delight and a sense of belonging.
    • Timeless principles of experience design are still relevant today.
    • Fusing real and virtual experiences can enhance customer engagement.
    • Brands should focus on creating immersive experiences at home.
    • The experience is more important than the brand itself.
    • Packaged goods companies should prioritize customer experience in their strategies.

    Chapters

    00:00 Understanding the Experience Economy
    02:54 Pop Mart's Success in the Market
    05:50 The Evolution of Market Segmentation
    08:57 Creating Loyalty and Belonging
    11:58 The Role of Surprise and Anticipation
    15:03 Fusing Real and Virtual Experiences
    17:57 Lessons from Pop Mart for Other Brands

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    https://hbr.org/2025/07/how-pop-mart-won-young-customers-in-a-fragmented-attention-economy

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    24 min
  • What Can Lil' Miquela and Mia Zelu Teach Experience Strategists About Trust?
    Sep 11 2025

    Lil’ Miquela and Mia Zelu have millions of followers and generate serious income, despite being created with artificial intelligence. A recent article in the NY Times caught our attention and we just had to weigh in on how AI influencers are changing the way customers think about what they can trust. In this episode of the Experience Strategy podcast, hosts Aransas Savas, Joe Pine, and Dave Norton delve into the intriguing world of AI influencers, exploring their rise, the complexities of trust and authenticity in the digital age, and the implications for the future of influencer experiences. They discuss the evolving nature of social proof, the role of empathy in AI, and how brands can navigate the changing landscape of consumer relationships. The conversation highlights the need for transparency and authenticity in experience strategies, as well as the potential shift towards hyperlocal influencers.


    Takeaways

    • AI influencers are gaining popularity and generating significant income.
    • Parasocial relationships with AI are becoming more common.
    • Trust in AI influencers is complex and multifaceted.
    • Authenticity is increasingly important in the digital age.
    • Social proof is being redefined in the context of AI.
    • The role of empathy in AI is a contentious topic.
    • Brands need to be transparent about AI-generated content.
    • Micro-influencers may become more valuable than traditional influencers.
    • Understanding customer needs is crucial for effective marketing.
    • The future of AI and human relationships is uncertain and thought-provoking.

    Chapters

    00:00 Introduction to AI Influencers
    02:44 The Rise of AI Personalities
    05:54 Trust and Authenticity in AI
    08:53 The Evolution of Social Proof
    11:53 AI and Empathy: A Complex Relationship
    14:48 The Role of Brands and Influencers
    17:47 Lessons for Experience Strategists
    20:46 The Future of AI Storytelling
    23:43 Conclusion and Reflections

    Read more

    https://www.nytimes.com/2025/09/03/style/ai-influencers-lil-miquela-mia-zelu.html

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    29 min
  • The Price of Magic: Disney's Tiered System and the Middle Class
    Sep 3 2025

    In The New York Times article written by Daniel Currell, the author/consultant contents that Disney's tiered system is designed to target affluent guests, not middle class people. In this episode of the Experience Strategy Podcast, hosts Joe Pine, Dave Norton, and Aransas Savas discuss the article about Disney's transformation from an egalitarian experience to a tiered system. They explore the implications of this shift on the middle class, the increasing value placed on experiences, and the desire for connection among visitors. The conversation delves into the role of services, time value, and the exclusivity of certain experiences, ultimately addressing the future of Disney and its expansion opportunities.

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    Takeaways

    • Disney has shifted from an egalitarian mindset to a tiered system.
    • The value of experiences has increased significantly over the years.
    • Wealth impacts the amount of time one can spend enjoying experiences.
    • Visitors seek connective experiences with loved ones.
    • Services play a crucial role in enhancing the overall experience.
    • Having multiple channels is a key strategy for growth.
    • Club 33 represents the only exclusive experience in the park.
    • Time is a critical currency in the experience economy.
    • Disney's pricing strategy reflects the value of experiences.
    • The future of Disney may involve expansion and innovation.

    Chapters

    00:00 Introduction to the Experience Economy
    00:26 Disney's Shift from Egalitarianism
    01:44 The Value of Experience and Pricing
    05:21 The Impact of Wealth on Experience
    06:47 The Desire for Connection in Experiences
    09:54 The Role of Services in Enhancing Experiences
    12:03 Gamification and the Disney Ecosystem
    15:47 The Exclusivity of Club 33
    18:03 Time as a Currency in Experiences
    21:18 The Future of Disney and Expansion Ideas

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    https://www.nytimes.com/2025/08/28/opinion/disney-world-economy-middle-class-rich.html?unlocked_article_code=1.iU8.Yl9x.HdJppkkpqYcr&smid=url-share

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    25 min
  • Did Saks Global Make a $600 Million Mistake With It's Personalization Platform?
    Aug 21 2025

    In an August 14th Vogue Business article by Madeleine Schultz , Saks Global, the parent company of Saks Fifth Avenue, Neiman Marcus and Bergdorf Goodman, discussed its personalisation strategy and an investment of $600 million for it's new platform. The only problem is: based on the article, we think they got it wrong.

    In this episode of the Experience Strategy Podcast, hosts Aransas Savas, Joe Pine, and Dave Norton delve into the evolving landscape of personalization in retail, particularly focusing on Saks Global's new strategies. They discuss the importance of understanding customer modes, the role of contextual data, and the challenges faced by traditional personalization approaches. The conversation highlights the need for brands to meet customers where they are, especially in the age of social shopping, and emphasizes the integration of online and offline experiences to enhance customer engagement.

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    Takeaways

    • Personalization is a form of customization for individuals.

    • Saks has invested heavily in personalization strategies.

    • Modes thinking is crucial for effective personalization.

    • Contextual data is essential for understanding customer needs.

    • Traditional personalization approaches may feel outdated.

    • Social shopping is a growing trend in retail.

    • Brands must meet customers where they are online.

    • Integration of online and offline experiences is key.

    • Personalization should not just be about demographics.

    • The future of retail lies in innovative and brave strategies.

    Chapters

    00:00 Introduction to Personalization in Retail
    02:57 Exploring Hyper-Personalization Strategies
    05:55 The Importance of Context in Personalization
    09:05 The Role of AI and Machine Learning
    11:57 Challenges of Traditional Retail Personalization
    14:49 The Shift Towards Social Shopping
    17:45 Integrating Online and Offline Experiences
    20:48 Future Directions for Retail Personalization

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    https://www.voguebusiness.com/story/consumers/inside-saks-globals-personalisation-strategy?utm_source=chatgpt.com

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    27 min
  • Is the Movie Theater Industry About to Rebound? Why Yes, and its Because of Movies
    Aug 13 2025

    Q2 of the US economy was very kind to movie theaters who are still recovering from the pandemic. AMC's financial performance and the evolving landscape of cinema experiences suggests a rebirth for badly bitten sector. Thanks to A Minecraft Movie and other blockbusters, we are finally seeing the repurposing of movie theater. The hosts explore the importance of community and shared experiences in film, the role of content quality, and innovative strategies to engage audiences. The conversation emphasizes the need for theaters to enhance the overall experience to attract viewers back, highlighting the significance of immersive and communal elements in the movie-going experience.


    Takeaways

    • The pandemic significantly impacted the experience sector, especially movie theaters.
    • Improving the theater experience can lead to increased attendance.
    • A Mindcraft Movie and other blockbusters created tremendous box office revenues.
    • Content quality is crucial for drawing audiences back to theaters.
    • Community experiences enhance the enjoyment of films.
    • Innovative strategies can create shareable moments in cinema.
    • Theaters need to focus on creating immersive experiences.
    • Audience engagement is key to the future of cinema.
    • Shared experiences can drive social media buzz and virality.
    • The movie industry must adapt to changing viewer preferences.
    • Designing for different viewing modes can enhance the cinema experience.


    Chapters

    00:00 Introduction to the Experience Economy
    01:15 The Impact of the Pandemic on Movie Theaters
    03:33 The Premiumization of Movie Experiences
    05:34 Challenges of Movie Theater Experiences
    08:17 The Success of Community-Driven Films
    12:30 Creating Shareable Experiences in Theaters
    16:46 The Role of Experience in Movie Theaters
    20:45 Conclusion and Broader Implications

    Read more

    https://www.wsj.com/business/earnings/amc-posts-narrower-loss-as-sales-surge-7c161073?st=pqPSLX&reflink=desktopwebshare_permalink

    https://screenrant.com/a-minecraft-movie-chicken-jockey-scene-audience-reactions-explained/?utm_source=chatgpt.com

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    22 min
  • The Next 15 Years Will NOT Be Hell and Experience Strategists Can Lead the Way
    Aug 7 2025

    In this episode of the Experience Strategy Podcast, hosts Aransas Savas, Joe Pine, and Dave Norton discuss a recent episode of the Diary of a CEO featuring Mo Gawdot, who predicts a dystopian future driven by technology and AI. The conversation explores themes of transformation, the value of work, and the implications of AI on jobs and society. The hosts critique Mo Gawdot's techno-extremism and emphasize the importance of hope and purpose in navigating the future. Using insights from The Experience Economy, from Experience Strategy, and human behavior, they argue for a bright future for those focused on customer's needs and desires


    Takeaways

    • Mo Gawdot predicts a 15-year dystopia followed by a utopia.
    • Critique of techno extremism highlights the need for balance.
    • Transformation is key to the future economy.
    • Work provides purpose and meaning to individuals.
    • AI will create new jobs, not eliminate them.
    • Gawdot argues against hope and against innovation
    • Embracing AI is crucial for future success.
    • People are resources that drive innovation.
    • Experience strategists need to develop a strategic point of view to thrive in the future


    Chapters

    00:00 Introduction to the Experience Strategy Podcast
    01:26 Mo Gawdot's Dystopian Predictions
    02:54 Critique of Techno-Extremism
    05:19 Transformation vs. Dystopia
    10:24 The Role of Work in Human Dignity
    14:41 AI and the Future of Work
    18:59 Hope and Transformation
    22:55 The Last Mile Issue in Automation
    25:02 Future Skills for Experience Strategists

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    https://open.substack.com/pub/theexperiencestrategist/p/the-future-is-uncertain-and-bright?r=257bs3&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=web&showWelcomeOnShare=false

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    29 min
  • Admissions and Subscriptions: Navigating the Future of Travel in Italy
    Jul 30 2025

    The Experience Strategy Podcast is available on all major podcast platforms for free.

    In this episode, the hosts discuss the complexities of tourism in Italy, particularly focusing on the balance between local experiences and tourist demands. They explore the impact of consumer behavior on travel, the need for sustainable tourism practices, and the importance of transformational travel that benefits local communities. The conversation emphasizes the necessity for destinations to adapt to changing trends and the value of holistic travel experiences that respect both tourists and residents.


    Takeaways

    • In Europe, tourists are getting squirted by residents and Bezos and Sanchez's wedding makes locals mad.
    • Italy's tourism faces challenges balancing local needs and tourist demands.
    • The concept of slow tourism promotes quieter, more authentic experiences.
    • Tourism should support local economies and respect residential areas.
    • Consumer behavior in travel is increasingly influenced by social media.
    • Destinations need to adapt quickly to changing trends and demands.
    • Transformational travel can enhance community engagement and support.
    • Tourist fees can help fund local infrastructure and services.
    • A subscription model for travel experiences could foster repeat business.
    • Travel experiences should cater to diverse traveler needs and preferences.
    • Holistic travel experiences encompass cultural, environmental, and community aspects.


    Chapters

    00:00 Exploring the Vibrancy of Italy
    06:14 The Challenges of Mass Tourism
    12:11 Adapting to Changing Consumer Demands
    18:10 Transformational Travel and Community Impact
    23:17 The Future of Travel Experiences

    Read more

    https://fortune.com/2024/07/09/barcelona-residents-fed-up-with-tourism-squirting-visitors-with-water-guns/

    https://www.tourism-review.com/italy-draws-visitors-with-its-fancy-experiences-news15039

    https://www.businessinsider.com/glad-we-did-not-buy-one-dollar-italy-home-2024-12

    https://www.nytimes.com/2025/06/20/style/jeff-bezos-lauren-sanchez-wedding.html

    https://www.nytimes.com/2025/06/15/travel/europe-tourism-protests.html

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    28 min