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I think it was like a five-year celebration that they decided to Ride from St. Louis to Chicago. I think it was 390 miles. Wow. And it's pretty entertaining, that father-son dynamic. You know, the old, more experienced cyclist trying to tell the young buck something, and he doesn't want to listen. Wow, a person that has heart problems like that actually embarked on a challenge like that is absolutely, man, just like, I'm enlightened by that. They picked something that means something, and look, I went through all this, and I can do this. And what he's telling us is basically, you can do this, too. You can make some changes in your life and make your health better. We don't have to accept what's in front of us. You know, we can choose a different path. And he didn't ride that 390 miles overnight. He started out just getting one around the Block, got a little stronger, and started riding miles. But it was a gradual build-up of recovering his health. And so that should be a message to everybody. You know, we're at a point where we can eat as much as we want, and we can have a sedentary lifestyle, which is a very bad combination.

“Health is not merely the absence of illness. A truly healthy life is one of creativity—where we continue to challenge ourselves, create, and move forward, expanding our horizons for as long as we live.”

— The Wisdom for Creating Happiness and Peace, Part 1 (Revised Edition), p. 248

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Scrambled Eggs & Ham Podcast

Host: Bill Clark

Date: June 12th

Episode Topic: Ride for Equity – From Black Wall Street to Wall Street

Bill Clark:

Good morning. My name is Bill, and I am the host of the Scrambled Eggs & Ham podcast. Today is June 12th, and it’s hot outside here on the East Coast.

I just wanted to let the listeners know about one of our previous interviewees, Osborne Celestain. (Cancer survivor) is currently riding from Black Wall Street in Tulsa, Oklahoma, all the way to Wall Street in New York City. That’s right — from Tulsa to New York. And get this — Osborne is the only Tulsan among the seven participants making this incredible journey.

When we spoke earlier this year on the podcast — actually, I had the good fortune of being out in Tulsa at the time — we had an interview over coffee at a local café. Osborne told me about this plan. I remember thinking, Wow… that’s ambitious!

And it is.

• 35 days on the road
• 1,645 miles total
• 50 miles per day
• 15 miles per hour pace
• And just one rest day per week

That’s a serious commitment.

The event is called the Ride for Equity — a tribute to the legacy of Black Wall Street and a powerful call to action for economic justice.

There’s a lot going on right now across the U.S. — from protests in California, New York, Philly, to Michigan. It’s a time of urgency and purpose. For Osborne to ride this route — from Tulsa to NYC — it’s what I’d call putting your money where your mouth is. He’s on the money.

Now, I haven’t ridden with him — yet. He’s been trying to get me to dust off my bike from the garage and start riding again. I probably don’t even know a pedal from a spoke anymore, but Osborne’s encouragement is real. My prayers go out to him and all the riders making this journey to Wall Street.

They’re expected to arrive in New York around July 2nd to 4th. Osborne actually reached out to me this morning. We were texting back and forth — I’m trying to keep track of where they are, what cities and states they’re passing through.

So here’s my message to you today:

Do something incredible. Challenge your own weaknesses — not anyone else’s.

This is Bill Clark from the Scrambled Eggs & Ham podcast.

Have a wonderful — and yes, very hot — week here in New York.

Stay victorious. We’ll talk again soon.

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In this raw and inspiring episode, we sit down with artist and poet Dontez Chatman for an unfiltered conversation about mental health, trauma, therapy, and artistic survival. From being drugged to battling bipolar disorder, Dantez shares how he turned pain into poetry and found purpose in the process. He opens up about going to therapy, taking medication, and using his art as a lifeline. This is Survival in Spoken Word—Dantez Chapman, unplugged.

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Host: Bill Clark
Guest: Threbs Thompson
Topic: Art, Vision Loss & Finding Humor in the Dark

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Host:
Welcome back to ScrambledEggs&Ham. Today I’m joined by the inspiring Therese Thompson. Therese, thank you for being here.

Trebs:
Thank you for having me! My name is Therese Thompson, and I have peripheral macular telangiectasia—along with a couple of other eye conditions that are eroding my vision pretty quickly. I entered what they call the terminal stages of this disease about a year and a half ago, so the sight loss is a lot faster now.

But—I’m still loving life. I get to do really cool things. I was an arts fellow for the state of Delaware last year, and I’ve got a show coming up this year—provided we all survive the apocalypse here. (laughs) I’m about ready to gouge out what little good sight I do have left.

Host:
The last time I saw you, I was checking out your Facebook profile, and I noticed you’re walking with a cane now, wearing those very dark Hollywood sunglasses. So yeah—it looks like your vision has really progressed. How is that affecting your ability to create?

Trebs:
Vision loss like this is catastrophic. As part of being an arts fellow, I got a small grant, and I used part of it to go to Salem Community College in New Jersey last year. I took two different classes there and learned some techniques that I think will be safer for me as I continue working in glass.

Host:
Now, this is just something I’ve been curious about myself—especially with my own stroke history. Do you think working with glass could have affected your eyesight?

Trebs:
Not. I took up glass later in life. Looking back, I was already experiencing the early symptoms of vision loss before I even began working with glass. And the industry has worked hard to offer non-toxic alternatives. For example, instead of using traditional lead soldering, there are now non-lead options. So no, I don’t think it’s the cause—just unlucky genetics.

Host:
Wow. So, let’s talk about MACTEL. I’ve mentioned it on the show before, but for folks who may not know—can you explain how it affects your vision?

Trebs:
Sure. When it started, I just couldn’t read for pleasure anymore. Words stopped making sense. Then I noticed that straight lines were no longer straight—everything looked broken and wavy.

MACTEL, in simple terms, is the thinning of vessel walls in the blood vessels that feed the retina. Those walls weaken, kind of like mini-aneurysms, and leak blood into the eye. That leads to macular degeneration, which is more or less a byproduct of this disease.

Host:
Is there a cure for MACTEL?

Trebs:
There’s no cure. It’s rare—still under 5,000 diagnosed cases globally. But we are fortunate to have a generous funder supporting research.

Host:
I wanted to ask you—are you learning to read Braille?

Trebs:
I’ve considered it, but honestly, for people our age, the success rate in becoming fluent in Braille is pretty low. Plus, technology has made it less necessary. I use screen readers and AI apps that describe pictures, read menus, and even tell me what kind of bills I get back in change—all just with my phone or tablet. And I’m not even tech-savvy!

Host:
Wow, that’s incredible. Let’s shift gears—tell us something fun about you! I know you’re involved with comedy and improv.

Trebs:
Yes! I’m still doing improv. I even made it onto The Moth Radio Hour the summer before last. I had to put a l

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Speaker 1 [00:00:00] Definitely could attack you at an emotionally weak point in your life.

Speaker 2 [00:00:09] Yes.

Speaker 1 [00:00:12] If you're beyond that weak point, might be easier to deal with it. And as I said, just like, this makes total sense. Yes. You know, and you know what? If you are living in that space, you know, I can't even think about that because it is so deep. It is topsy and panic in the person right there in that space.

Speaker 2 [00:00:43] Well, give me a favorite, then. You know, you gave me something to think about. Is it okay to record this conversation?

Speaker 1 [00:00:51] Sure.

Speaker 2 [00:00:52] Okay. So what you. So what I did was answer your question is that, like you said, it was a big it was a big one of the biggest projects I've done on this episode, on this podcast. And I took it from like I looked at it, I researched, I said, Well, first it's the physical limit of space, right? Then there's psychological.

Speaker 1 [00:01:13] And so again.

Speaker 2 [00:01:15] If first there's physical limit liminal space where you're walking down a hallway, you are walking from one office to the other. Right. That's physical, that space between. Then there's psychological, a metaphorical liminal space where we talking about you can't make a decision, right? You're in that space. You had a stroke like me. You don't know if you're going to live or die. What I'm going to do in my life, what I'm going to do with my life.

Speaker 1 [00:01:43] You know, this kind of escape. They just came to take me up and this conversation is going to get deep. And I don't want everyone to have this conversation. Let me call you back as soon as I can.

Speaker 2 [00:02:00] Okay. All right. Right. All right. Okay.

Speaker 1 [00:02:07] Heard about it before. It's something I never thought about. Okay. But. But I understand why it's important. And I know how it is that you can get stuck in the in the. In the living space.

Speaker 2 [00:02:29] Right. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Your brother gave a really good example with his divorce.

Speaker 1 [00:02:36] No, no, no, no. It is. Yes. And. An example of his divorce is his ex. I think there is a, sense of understanding that we that we both have. Because we. I drove over, you know, my sister, but I don't. It's almost always these two that have gone through the whole divorce thing or he and I. And the same type of emotional trauma, that that surrounds divorce. And a separation. Of people in your home to carry a gun. He and I, I have for you are going to realize.

Unidentified [00:03:49] How serious is that? So, you know.

Speaker 1 [00:03:55] Talking about how we ask you have to want to. Work through, work through it.

Speaker 2 [00:04:12] Or.

Speaker 1 [00:04:13] You know, it's almost like how do you gauge how much your game changes and you try to work through it is is the right way to put it is. Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 2 [00:04:27] You how how how do you work through it? You know, I went through it with a stroke. With illness. Right. Like you. Yes. And, you know, not knowing what's going to happen next, I can no longer work. I can. It's harder to support my family. I have I'm a different person. Right. So in that space, we work through it. Like, what are you doing? What I'm doing now, you create creativity, you know? Correct? Yeah. Yeah. That's how you work through it. You work through it Like you're like, I

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Host Bill Clarke Co Host Don Wade Interview With Hugh Joseph who has MS.

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Welcome to “ScrambledEggs&Ham”—the podcast that highlights the resilience and strength of individuals who have faced life-altering health challenges, including cancer, stroke, multiple sclerosis (MS), and neurodiversity. Each episode dives into their personal journeys, revealing how they transformed adversity into growth, empowerment, stroke recovery, and lasting change.

Hi, my name is Bill Clark. I'm the host of the Scrambled Eggs and Ham podcast. And you know, life can change in an instant. One moment, you're cruising along, and the next, boom, everything scrambles. Welcome to the Scrambled Eggs and Hams. It's the podcast that cracks open the real conversations about strokes, health, depression, recovery, and resilience. There was just a basic confusion about why is this happening to me. I thought I was doing everything right. You know, I wasn't stressed out, but I do have high blood pressure and diabetes. And at the time, I did come, when I had my first stroke, I did come out in the kitchen to check my blood pressure, which was high. It was 170 something. Wow, that's high. And my sugar was also 183. And I was like, what are you doing? You know, so those were the mechanisms that made me say, you need to go to the hospital. So whether you're a survivor, a caregiver, or just someone who wants to understand the twists and turns of the human brain, we're here to keep it real. No scapegoating, just honest talk, expert insights, and stories that inspire.

Prepare to be inspired as we explore the incredible power of the human spirit.

“Health is not merely the absence of illness. A truly healthy life is one of creativity—where we continue to challenge ourselves, create, and move forward, expanding our horizons for as long as we live.”

— The Wisdom for Creating Happiness and Peace, Part 1 (Revised Edition), p. 248

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