When we talk about activism through a financial or economic lens, most of time, people think of two things: shopping and investing. And those are important. But the single biggest financial decision we make is what we do for a living, our work.

My guests today are Kiersten and Julien Saunders, who I think are incredible role models for thinking about work, both doing work that aligns to your values, and maintaining maybe the healthiest work-life balance I’ve seen among people whose work is fundamentally online. Kiersten and Julien Saunders are the creators of the Rich and Regular blog, the creators of the Money On the Table YouTube series, hosts of the Rich & Regular podcast, money editors at Success Magazine, and now authors of the brand new book Cashing Out, which I highly.

We talk about choosing work that’s aligned to your values, making trade-offs to focus where your heart tells you to, and the upsides of working for yourself.

Links from today’s episode:
Buy Wallet Activism
Buy Cashing Out
Tanja’s piece on Bloomberg about ethical investing
Tanja’s blog post on buying ebooks and audiobooks without using Amazon
Rich & Regular
Money on the Table video series
Fulton Street Books & Coffee
A Long Walk to Freedom

Today I'm bringing you an interview with the author of a new book -- out today! -- that I can't recommend highly enough. The book is The Wake Up, and the author is Michelle MiJung Kim. The Wake Up is an important and necessary book for our times, about how we can take all of our do-gooder intentions and make real progress in fighting the status quo, while avoiding the harm that all too often accompanies good intentions. The book is practical and instructive, and raw and vulnerable, all at the same time. It belongs on your bookshelf next to Ijeoma Oluo and Dr. Ibram Kendi's essential books. Do yourself a favor and find a way to get your hands on it ASAP. Until then, here's a conversation that I absolutely loved with Michelle. Enjoy!

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Links from the show:

• Michelle MiJung Kim's site
• The Wake Up on Bookshop.org
• The Wake Up on Indiebound (lets you order from your local store)
• 125 Black-owned bookstores you can shop from
• We Do This Til We Free Us on Bookshop.org
• Wallet Activism on Bookshop.org
• Bonuses for pre-ordering Wallet Activism

Wallet activism is using your financial power in all its forms to change the status quo, going beyond what you spend to look at how you earn money, where you live, where you bank, how you donate, and so many more financial choices we make every day.

To kick off this new show, today Tanja Hester is talking about Wallet Activism: what it is as a concept, and how the podcast and the book are different. We also talk about all the bonus resources you can get for free if you pre-order the book (available as a paperback, ebook and audiobook).

Post on my blog Our Next Life with info on pre-order bonus resources

Places to pre-order:

• Pre-order on Indiebound (can also connect you to your local indie bookseller)
• Pre-order on Bookshop.org
• Pre-order from Powell’s
• Pre-order on Amazon Smile (be sure to use smile.amazon.com so a portion goes to the nonprofit of your choice)
• Pre-order on Barnes & Noble
• Pre-order from BenBella Books
• Pre-order from Booktopia (Australia)