The CopDoc Podcast - Season 8 - Episode 160

What happens when you combine a fine arts degree with police leadership? Chief Chad Kasmar of the Tucson Police Department demonstrates how creative thinking transforms modern policing challenges into opportunities for innovation.

Kasmer's journey from beach bum to nationally recognized police leader reveals the unexpected value of diverse perspectives in law enforcement. With refreshing candor, he shares how his background in painting and sculpture equipped him with problem-solving skills that have proven invaluable in reimagining police services. Rather than merely modifying existing systems, Kasmar approaches challenges with a blank canvas, asking fundamental questions about what modern communities truly need from their police departments.

The results speak for themselves. Under Kasmar's leadership, Tucson PD has expanded their Community Service Officer program to handle 70,000 calls annually that don't require armed response, reducing lower-priority response times by 50%. His department distinguishes between mistakes and misconduct, creating space for officers to learn and grow while maintaining accountability. Perhaps most remarkably, their Struggle Well program has saved multiple officers in crisis by focusing on post-traumatic growth rather than simply preventing PTSD.

Kasmar doesn't shy away from difficult truths, questioning how America expects perfect performance from officers with just nine months of training when other trades require years of preparation. He advocates for growing police talent internally, developing leaders who understand their communities, and creating organizational cultures where seeking help isn't career-ending.

For anyone interested in the future of policing, Kasmer offers this wisdom: "You don't get paid to have all the answers; you get paid to surround yourself with people who will help you find the best answer." This episode provides a masterclass in humble, innovative leadership that places community needs and officer wellness at the center of police work.

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