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Turning Points for Nations in Crisis
Auteur(s): Jared Diamond
Narrateur(s): Henry Strozier
Catégories: Histoire, Monde
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A brilliant new theory of how and why some nations recover from trauma and others don't, by the author of the landmark best sellers Guns, Germs, and Steel and Collapse

In his earlier best sellers Guns, Germs and Steel and Collapse, Jared Diamond transformed our understanding of what makes civilizations rise and fall. Now, in the final audiobook in this monumental trilogy, he reveals how successful nations recover from crisis through selective change - a coping mechanism more commonly associated with personal trauma. 

In a dazzling comparative study, Diamond shows us how seven countries have survived defining upheavals in the recent past - from US Commodore Perry's arrival in Japan to the Soviet invasion of Finland to Pinochet's regime in Chile - through a process of painful self-appraisal and adaptation, and he identifies patterns in the way that these distinct nations recovered from calamity. Looking ahead to the future, he investigates whether the US and the world are squandering their natural advantages on a path toward political conflict and decline. Or can we still learn from the lessons of the past? 

Adding a psychological dimension to the awe-inspiring grasp of history, geography, economics, and anthropology that marks all Diamond's work, Upheaval reveals how both nations and individuals can become more resilient. The result is an audiobook that is epic, urgent, and groundbreaking.

©2019 Jared Diamond (P)2019 Recorded Books
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3 out of 5 stars
Écrit par R. Ward le 2020-02-04

Full of political opinions and left wing bias

I have read many of Jared's previous books, and enjoyed them. Which is why I was so disappointed listening to this one. He sticks his unsupported, left wing, feminist opinion in all kinds of places throughout the book. Both where it isn't needed, and where it actually runs counter to the rest of the evidence he is presenting. I guess the old man has changed his view of scientific objectivity, or is under influence of a co-writer, or editor that pushed what could have been another important book into an exercise in subjective virtue signalling.

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5 out of 5 stars
Écrit par Utilisateur anonyme le 2020-02-03

Very nice book.

The book is full of history and knowledge, I like the author’s encyclopedic information about other countries, though he didn’t include Nelson Mandela when he is talking about leaders.

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5 out of 5 stars
Écrit par Al H le 2019-07-15

Great book!

Fantastic book by a great author. The narrator took away some of the excitement though.

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5 out of 5 stars
Écrit par Dan Fusselman le 2019-07-07

Change the Speed

The book is great. The speed of the narrator is too slow. Change the audio speed to 1.25 for a significantly better listening experience.

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3 out of 5 stars
Écrit par J. Thomson le 2019-10-28

Where are the charts and figures for Audible?

There are frequent references to two tables and other figures. Are these accessible to Audible listeners?

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3 out of 5 stars
Écrit par Tim B le 2019-05-17

Terrible narration, buying it in paper instead

I have never had trouble reading Jared Diamond 's books. This one, has put me to sleep several times already. The narrator is incredibly boring and monotone. Terrible,that Diamond's excellent material gets distorted like this.

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2 out of 5 stars
Écrit par JD le 2019-12-01

Not sure I get it.

If asked who "my famous author is", I'd likely answer "Jared Diamond" until I read this book. I don't get it. Maybe it was the pressure to publish or just hubris, but I don't get it and I don't care. I read his other books twice each, but didn't finish this. Sorry, but this is just not relevant.

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3 out of 5 stars
Écrit par hamishr le 2019-08-05

Interesting but irritating at times

This is an account of the recent history (mainly the last 60 or so years) of countries that Jared Diamond has visited frequently or lived in for an extended period. It is thus takes a subjective approach, based mainly on the the author's personal perspective and the perspectives of the people he came to know in these countries. Why and how countries change is difficult to pin down but the author has tried to do this by assessing each chosen country in terms of a list of change factors. The experiences and perspectives of the author in these countries are interesting but he has taken a highly opinionated approach, which I found irritating, especially when the issues involved are not as clear cut as he makes them out to be. He also tended to digress at times, again quite irritating (the low point: talking about which Australian wines he liked best). I certainly benefitted from listening to this book and, if nothing else, it has inspired me to find out more about these countries in order to gain a broader perspective.

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5 out of 5 stars
Écrit par Marian le 2019-05-12

The Urine of the Earth in a Teacup

Please read this book!

I remember hearing the term, “Historical Theory” as an undergraduate in the 1980’s, and I wondered how a “factual” subject like history could possibly have a theoretical component. Over time, I learned that our operating theories, our perspectives, our frames, our expectations, and our programming matter more to every human activity than the facts. Facts are important, but authors pick facts selectively, choose words purposefully, and express findings based on internalized models. Every academic discipline has a theory. Every human has an operating system, an internal theory, too.

Here you have metatheory, theory, and eggs of theory essential to human discourse. Jared Diamond is a polymath; he communicates the emotional fight or flight syndrome of the tortured whale swimming in the ocean of human fireworks while his heart beats on the drum of experimental thinking in the manner of Jonas Salk; he links together his conversations with the prejudiced German or Australian with the nose to smell our common survival fears; his touch is not just the handshake of the Lebanese bird watcher, but also that of the economist seated near the tinderbox anger of modern serfs sick of “rags to riches” myths. He tasted the urine of earth, found it sugary, and gives us his best treatment theories in a world still to invent insulin.

Is it dull? Not at all. I did not want to miss a single word. Is it important or relevant, this history book? Absolutely. Diamond’s inner political scientist and inner psychologist informs us of our warts and beauty marks here in the United States within the context of selected global comparisons and contrast. Our leaders, entrepreneurs, monied classes, and citizens must open their hearts, brains, and stomachs to the warnings and potentials provided by Diamond. I want more, Professor. Please continue! Diamond’s discussions of the warts and beauty marks of other countries, such as modern Japan, should be “Eureka” moments for other countries, too. We have only one planet, and, as Diamond points out, we cannot look to the galaxy of other known Earths for ideas.

Diamond’s style is intuitive; almost each time I thought, “but what about xyz?” he soon addressed my concern as if he had anticipated my question. This book is easy to follow, but it is not overly simplistic. Is this a book any academic with access to a research library could write? Not a chance. Personal experiences and ponderings across decades inform the results. Is the book contrary to academic research? Very few passages seem to cross the line of unsubstantiated opinion or Diamond’s personal bias. Is it a book of solutions? No. It is a book that gifts verbal concepts to test. It is a book that highlights both incremental change and paradigm shift. It is a book about the medicine of sustainability and the “chronic, incurable, hard to cure diseases” of the political man. It is a book about crimes, failures, lessons, guilts, lack of introspection, mistakes, successes, social responsibilities, democracies, stratifications, social liberalisms, sacrifices, survivals, threats, random chances, plans, and our daily bread. Is your urine sugary? We fix the Earth’s diabetes one operating system at a time.

I enjoyed this reading on Audible, but I felt disadvantaged because Audible does not provide access to the charts and tables referenced by Diamond. I will complain to Audible about the need for a pdf companion. If that fails, I will consider buying a companion Kindle version of this book; it is important and essential information. I do not mind investing in two versions of this Diamond book.

I repeat: Please read this book, and let’s make the future better.

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4 out of 5 stars
Écrit par M. DEVINNEY le 2019-07-13

Historical narrative for modern times!

Whether the leader of a family or leader of the free world, you need to read this book. This sometimes cerebral look at what history can teach us about where we are in this country will give you a new perspective and encouragement to do something about it. It starts when we realize that democracies are only an advantage if we compromise to move the best ideas forward. Otherwise, we do have something to worry about from the Chinese economy.

"Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it." - George Santayana

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4 out of 5 stars
Écrit par YunusTheOptimist le 2019-07-04

Sounds too simplistic basic.

It is astonishing how ignorant the world leaders are. We, the people, we put them there and follow them. Some of these leaders, I would not hire them as employees because they would cause calamitous low moral/trust yielding non productive working environment. With the prism of an learnt man in his 80s, Jared Diamond, in this this book, is shedding light today's populist movements and their soundbite messages, ignorant leaders and their followers who pay the price sometime with their lives.

Diamond’s analysis countries that he knows well:
Australia and

He explains how these countries have coped with crises, is shot through with reflections on the fragility of democracy. It explores the crucial condition of taking responsibility (without scapegoating), honest national self-appraisal, a willingness to learn from other nations and a capacity to compromise, sometimes, indeed, to swallow the unpleasant truth.

A must read

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5 out of 5 stars
Écrit par John Faithful Hamer le 2019-07-25


Jared Diamond wrote this book at the ripe old age of 82. You can quibble with his names and dates here and there—forgetfulness sets in sooner or later, alas—but his erudition shines through regardless on every page. Diamond speaks more than ten languages and has lived an extraordinary life. He’s smarter than you. So quit the nitpicking, shut up, and listen to the man. I think you’ll find that he’s remarkably wise.

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1 out of 5 stars
Écrit par Nathan le 2019-06-18

Trite ideas

Pedantic and patronizing. This feels like the product of wanting another big check, rather than the product of creative thinking and research.

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