Building trust is not easy, but when you are consistent, unique and true to yourself people take notice. No Bull RV has done this very well. Dave Young: Welcome to the Empire Builders Podcast, teaching business owners the not-so-secret techniques that took famous businesses from mom and pop to major brands. Stephen Semple is a marketing consultant, story collector and storyteller. I'm Stephen's sidekick and business partner, Dave Young. Before we get into today's episode, a word from our sponsor, which is ... Well, it's us, but we're highlighting ads we've written and produced for our clients. So here's one of those. [Tommy Cool Air Ad] Matthew Burns: This is not Stephen Semple or Dave Young. I've commandeered the entire podcast at the request of Stephen. So I am here for a reason. I've got with me a client of Stephen's, Rick Showers of No Bull RV in the Edmonton area of Alberta, and you guys have heard us talk about him before, he's been on the podcast before, but we've had a very specific topic that we want to talk about today, and we're talking about the amazing use of social media that him and his team, we have one of his team members here, her name is Natacha. Natacha, what's your role with No Bull? Natacha: Technically by title I'm HR. Matthew Burns: That'll be part of what we talk about. Great. And then what are some of the other things that you're doing there? Natacha: I'm doing anything I can to support Rick, I guess, and just build the business and making sure all our pieces are aligning together and that we're really approaching things from a whole business level, not just bits and pieces at a time. Matthew Burns: Okay, fantastic. And Rick, that's a very politically correct answer. What is Natacha to you? What does she do for you? Rick Showers: She does pretty much all the stuff I don't want to do. Matthew Burns: There we go. That's the answer. That's the answer we wanted. Rick Showers: She sees to it that it gets done. Let me put it that way. Matthew Burns: Exactly. Well, no, and her job is to support you and all the things that we're honestly, truly ... Business owners, especially entrepreneurs, we get caught up in doing everything at the beginning and then we realize I'm really not good at this list of 20 things, so I'm going to get somebody else who's much better at it than me. I'm going to concentrate on what I'm good at. And that's your Natacha. What we really want to talk about today is how you guys are using social media and its effect, the kind of the bonus effect it's had on your recruiting and the onboarding of new staff members. Rick, talk to me a little bit about your perception of this and how it's affected you guys there at No Bull. Rick Showers: The perception of the social component? Matthew Burns: You got it. Rick Showers: Well, as a user, I always thought it was a bit of a pain in the ass, frankly, because there's one more social channel coming after another. As a business owner, I was always skeptical and never really liked the fact that competitors, for example, or other business categories were actually using it to try and flog product, which to me always seemed a little bit counterintuitive because it's not really a social thing. They're looking at it as an advertising channel. So we approach it a little bit differently and wanted to stand out by just being different. Matthew Burns: You're highlighting your people on social media, you guys are spending time talking about the vulnerabilities of some of your units because you guys are in used RVs and you're pointing out the negatives and saying, "Hey guys, well, we take care of this for you." And you're very upfront. I remember one post where you were trying to do a video when a bird was squawking in the tree next to you and you're like, "Come on, man, we're doing a video." It was so funny. But yeah, I mean, social media really is meant to be social.
