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In this episode of the Distance to Empty podcast, co-host Peter Noyes interviews Kevin Goldberg about his experience in the challenging 2025 Cocodona 250 ultra marathon. They discuss Kevin's goals, mental preparation, training, gear choices, and the significant impact of weather and mud on the race. Kevin shares insights on new course changes, particularly the Hangover Trail and Elden Reroute, and reflects on his successful Mingus descent. The conversation highlights the importance of crew support, nutrition, and maintaining a positive mindset throughout the race, especially when faced with unexpected challenges like a shin issue. Ultimately, Kevin emphasizes that the journey and experience of the race are more important than the finish time. In this conversation, Kevin Goldberg shares his experiences and reflections on the Cocodona 250 race, detailing the challenges he faced, the importance of sleep, and the joy of finishing. He discusses the highs and lows of the race, the significance of aid stations, and the transformation he felt after getting a much-needed rest at Trinity. The conversation also touches on the excitement of the finish line celebration and a recap of the Flagstaff Bound event, highlighting the achievements of various athletes. Finally, Kevin reveals his plans for the future, including taking a year off from Cocodona and exploring new opportunities in the running community.