In the past, debates over worship styles were often marked by generational differences; however, a new article suggests that this is changing. For Gen Z, worship preferences may be dividing along gender lines instead. For younger Christians, is CCM from Venus and liturgy from Mars? Drew Dyck joins Skye and Kaitlyn to discuss the evidence, the implications, and the solution for the worship gender divide. Then, Kaitlyn interviews Patrick Miller about his new book with co-author Keith Simon, “Joyful Outsiders.” He says there are six different ways we can respond to the loss of Christian cultural power, but all of them should be marked with joy rather than fear or anger. Also this week—listeners react to our criticism of “asking Jesus into your heart,” and pigeons on a plane.

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2:55 - Theme Song

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5:36 - Animal News

13:07 - Jesus in Your Heart Response

25:27 - The Gen Z Worship War

36:23 - Low Church to High Church

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54:15 - Interview

55:55- What Does it Mean to Be Joyful Outsiders?

1:00:20 - Are Christians Always Outsiders?

1:14:20 - Prophets and Hope

1:20:08 - Approaching Joyful Living

1:31:00 - End Credits

Links from News Segment:

Pigeons on a Plane!

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/delta-flight-erupts-chaos-pigeons-fly-main-cabin-rcna209400

Gen Z Gender Worship War:

https://www.christianitytoday.com/2025/05/gen-z-worship-war-men-women-ccm-liturgy-tradition/

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Joyful Outsiders: Six Ways to Live Like Jesus in a Disorienting Culture: https://a.co/d/9ouoDCT

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