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Beyond Substance

Beyond Substance

Auteur(s): Dean Babcock and Jodi Miller
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 Beyond Substance deepens the understanding of our listeners about substance use in Indiana, specifically the problems and solutions to address these issues and to highlight that there is hope and share what can be done to foster and support recovery in our community.Copyright Dean Babcock and Jodi Miller Développement personnel Hygiène et mode de vie sain Psychologie Psychologie et santé mentale Réussite Sciences sociales
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  • Finding Recovery in Community Corrections

    Finding Recovery in Community Corrections
    Aug 6 2025
    In this powerful episode of Beyond Substance, hosts Jodi Miller and Dean Babcock explore recovery, redemption, and the systems that support both. Jodi sits down with Megan Pino, a graduate of the Hamilton County Drug Court Program, who shares her deeply personal journey through addiction, motherhood, and healing. Dean interviews Morgan Walker, Executive Director of Hancock County Community Corrections, who offers a systems-level look at how evidence-based practices and collaborative support structures are transforming the criminal justice landscape. Together, their stories reflect the heart of what real recovery looks like—accountability, compassion, and hope.

    Segment 1: Professional Interview
    Dean speaks with Morgan Walker, Executive Director of Hancock County Community Corrections, to discuss the evolving role of community corrections within the justice system. Morgan emphasizes a shift from compliance-focused models to evidence-based approaches that prioritize client outcomes and dignity. She explains how her agency integrates partnerships with recovery programs, case managers, and the courts to create holistic support systems for individuals with substance use disorders. Morgan also reflects on how the COVID-19 pandemic reshaped service delivery and revealed the need for flexible, human-centered strategies. Her insights provide a critical lens into how justice-involved individuals can be empowered through meaningful engagement, supportive accountability, and compassionate systems.

    Segment 2: Personal Story
    Megan Pino opens up to Jodi Miller about her struggle with alcohol use, the pain of repeated legal consequences, and the toll it took on her children and sense of self. After her fourth DUI, Megan reached a breaking point—and what followed was a life-changing journey through the Hamilton County Drug Court and Community Corrections programs. Through tears, gratitude, and fierce honesty, Megan shares how accountability, structure, and support helped her reclaim her identity. She reflects on rebuilding trust with her children, rediscovering her worth, and how gratitude became a powerful tool in her ongoing recovery. Megan’s story reminds us that people are not defined by their lowest moments—and that recovery is possible with the right support system.


    Takeaways
    • Community corrections is shifting toward evidence-based, compassionate support strategies.
    • Recovery journeys often begin with accountability—and are sustained through connection.
    • Drug courts can serve as life-saving interventions when integrated with wraparound services.
    • Systems that honor dignity can transform justice-involved lives.
    • Personal healing often involves rebuilding relationships and rediscovering self-worth.


    Podcast Information:
    • Hosted by: Dean Babcock and Jodi Miller
    • Interview Segment Producer: Angela Shamblin
    • Personal Story Producer: Shawn P Neal
    • Executive Producer: Shawn P Neal
    • Mixed at: AvoCast Studio236


    Episode Hashtags
    #BeyondSubstance #ShawnPNeal #AdvoCast #RecoveryIsPossible #CommunityCorrections #DrugCourt #HarmReduction #AccountabilityInRecovery #TraumaInformedCare #EvidenceBasedPractice #AddictionRecovery #JusticeReform #WomenInRecovery #SupportNotStigma #PeerSupportMatters #HealingJourneys #JodiMiller #DeanBabcock #CriminalJusticeSupport #RedemptionStories
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    47 min
  • Perspectives on Stigma in Medical Care

    Perspectives on Stigma in Medical Care
    Jul 1 2025
    In this powerful episode, hosts Dean Babcock and Jodi Miller explore stigma from two deeply connected vantage points: the clinical world of healthcare and the lived reality of addiction and recovery. Dr. Christopher Suelzer, a retired internal medicine physician with decades of experience treating veterans, shares his perspective on how stigma within the medical community affects patient care and trust. Then, we meet Gloria Haynes, a woman in long-term recovery whose journey from addiction to becoming a respected peer recovery coach reveals the transformative power of support and self-worth. Together, their insights challenge us to dismantle bias and see the humanity behind the diagnosis.

    Segment 1: Professional Interview Summary
    Dr. Christopher Suelzer, a primary care physician and long-time advocate for veterans and people with substance use disorders, offers a candid look into the role healthcare providers play in perpetuating or alleviating stigma. He describes how stigmatizing assumptions—often subconscious—can erode trust, reduce treatment efficacy, and undermine patient autonomy. Drawing from real-life examples, he emphasizes that providers must challenge ingrained biases, receive better training, and prioritize compassion alongside clinical skill. Dr. Suelzer also explores the systemic nature of stigma, how language and charting practices reinforce it, and the urgent need for exposure to recovery narratives in medical education.

    Segment 2: Personal Story Summary
    Jodi Miller sits down with Gloria Haynes, a certified peer recovery coach and perinatal community health worker whose recovery journey began in a Cook County jail. Gloria recounts her descent from a fast-paced life in Chicago into addiction, homelessness, and incarceration. Through court-ordered treatment and a critical moment of surrender, she found her way into long-term recovery. Gloria’s story highlights the impact of supportive judges, the healing power of community, and the strength that comes from lived experience. Today, she works with pregnant and postpartum women, physicians, and recovery programs, using her voice to inspire connection, empathy, and change.

    Takeaways
    • Stigma in healthcare can lead to delayed treatment, inadequate care, and broken trust between providers and patients.
    • Recovery is not just possible—it’s powerful. Seeing people thrive in recovery changes how professionals understand substance use.
    • Self-stigma is real, but connection, community, and purpose can break through shame and transform lives.
    • Person-first, non-stigmatizing language matters. It shapes how people are perceived—and how they perceive themselves.
    • Both systemic change and individual empathy are needed to truly support recovery in medical and community settings.


    Podcast Information
    • Hosted by: Dean Babcock and Jodi Miller
    • Interview Segment Producer: Angela Shamblin
    • Personal Story Producer: Shawn P Neal
    • Executive Producer: Shawn P Neal
    • Mixed at: AdvoCast Studio236
    Episode Hashtags
    #BeyondSubstance #RecoveryIsPossible #AddictionRecovery #StigmaFreeHealthcare #PeerRecovery #SubstanceUseDisorder #VeteransRecovery #DrChrisSuelzer #GloriaHaynes #JodiMiller #DeanBabcock #NaloxoneSavesLives #MATWorks #PersonFirstLanguage #EmpathyInMedicine #HealthcareBias #CHAMPIndiana #WeCare #ShawnPNeal #AdvoCast
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    59 min
  • S2E9 Finding Recovery In Jail

    S2E9 Finding Recovery In Jail
    Jun 1 2025
    In this episode of Beyond Substance, hosts Dean Babcock and Jodi Miller explore how the criminal justice system—particularly county jails—can be a surprising gateway to recovery. Through conversations with Kelly Gunn, Director of Jail Programs in Hamilton County, and Jennifer Bella, a peer recovery coach who found hope behind bars, this episode examines the transformation possible when dignity, support, and structured programs are prioritized. Together, their stories highlight the intersection of incarceration, trauma, and recovery—and the systems working to bridge the gap between punishment and healing.

    Segment 1
    Kelly Gunn, Director of Jail Programs in Hamilton County, shares her experience running recovery-oriented reentry services inside the jail. She outlines the shift in local policy that now keeps many level-six felony offenders in county jails, creating a need for more structured, rehabilitative programming. Gunn highlights Hamilton County's TOWER program and the women’s Launch Hope initiative, which provide therapy, life skills, employment support, and community-based reentry services. She emphasizes the importance of voluntary engagement and ongoing support beyond incarceration, and how partnerships with nonprofits, employers, and treatment providers help build a system of hope.

    Segment 2
    Jennifer Bella’s powerful personal story reveals a recovery journey that began during her 16-month incarceration. After years of abuse, addiction, and multiple felonies, she was introduced to Launch Hope in the Hamilton County Jail. With the support of peer mentors and Jodi’s Refuel Wellness program, Jennifer has found her purpose. Today, she is a peer recovery coach, helping others through the same system that once held her. Her story is a testimony to what happens when people are met with trust, tools, and belief in their worth. Takeaways
    • Jails can become a starting point for recovery with the right programming and support.
    • Hamilton County’s TOWER and Launch Hope programs provide holistic, trauma-informed care inside jail walls.
    • Jennifer Bella’s story shows that recovery can begin in jail—with the right support system and structure.
    • Programs like Suboxone and Vivitrol are essential tools for safe transition out of incarceration.
    • Peer mentors and post-release support are key to reducing recidivism and sustaining recovery.
    Chapters
    00:00 Opening Reflections and Data Overview
    03:43 Introducing Kelly Gunn and Hamilton County Programs
    06:42 The Need for Structured Reentry Support
    09:32 Partnering with Other Jails and Expanding Services
    12:57 Launch Hope and Refuel Wellness
    18:23 Medication-Assisted Treatment and Harm Reduction
    21:26 Measuring Success Beyond Recidivism
    24:44 Jennifer Bella's Story: Loss, Addiction, and Incarceration
    30:28 Transformation Through Launch Hope
    34:14 Reentry, Peer Coaching, and Continued Barriers
    41:08 Stigma, Determination, and a Message of Hope
    46:51 Looking Ahead

    Podcast Information
    Hosted by Dean Babcock and Jodi Miller
    Interview Segment Producer: Angela Shamblin
    Personal Story Producer: Shawn P Neal
    Executive Producer: Shawn P Neal
    Mixed at AvoCast Studio236

    Episode Hashtags
    #BeyondSubstance #RecoveryBehindBars #LaunchHope #PeerSupport #SubstanceUseRecovery #HarmReduction #ReentryPrograms #TOWERProgram #AddictionRecoveryStories #CriminalJusticeReform #PublicHealthInJails #IndianaRecovery #NaloxoneSavesLives #MATPrograms #StigmaFreeRecovery #RefuelWellness #JenniferBella #ShawnPNeal #AdvoCast #CommunityHealing
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    48 min
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