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Beyond Substance

Beyond Substance

Auteur(s): Dean Babcock and Jodi Miller
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 Beyond Substance deepens the understanding of our listeners about substance use in Indiana, specifically the problems and solutions to address these issues and to highlight that there is hope and share what can be done to foster and support recovery in our community.Copyright Dean Babcock and Jodi Miller Développement personnel Hygiene & Healthy Living Psychologie Psychologie et santé mentale Réussite Sciences sociales
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  • S2E9 Finding Recovery In Jail

    S2E9 Finding Recovery In Jail
    Jun 1 2025
    In this episode of Beyond Substance, hosts Dean Babcock and Jodi Miller explore how the criminal justice system—particularly county jails—can be a surprising gateway to recovery. Through conversations with Kelly Gunn, Director of Jail Programs in Hamilton County, and Jennifer Bella, a peer recovery coach who found hope behind bars, this episode examines the transformation possible when dignity, support, and structured programs are prioritized. Together, their stories highlight the intersection of incarceration, trauma, and recovery—and the systems working to bridge the gap between punishment and healing.

    Segment 1
    Kelly Gunn, Director of Jail Programs in Hamilton County, shares her experience running recovery-oriented reentry services inside the jail. She outlines the shift in local policy that now keeps many level-six felony offenders in county jails, creating a need for more structured, rehabilitative programming. Gunn highlights Hamilton County's TOWER program and the women’s Launch Hope initiative, which provide therapy, life skills, employment support, and community-based reentry services. She emphasizes the importance of voluntary engagement and ongoing support beyond incarceration, and how partnerships with nonprofits, employers, and treatment providers help build a system of hope.

    Segment 2
    Jennifer Bella’s powerful personal story reveals a recovery journey that began during her 16-month incarceration. After years of abuse, addiction, and multiple felonies, she was introduced to Launch Hope in the Hamilton County Jail. With the support of peer mentors and Jodi’s Refuel Wellness program, Jennifer has found her purpose. Today, she is a peer recovery coach, helping others through the same system that once held her. Her story is a testimony to what happens when people are met with trust, tools, and belief in their worth. Takeaways
    • Jails can become a starting point for recovery with the right programming and support.
    • Hamilton County’s TOWER and Launch Hope programs provide holistic, trauma-informed care inside jail walls.
    • Jennifer Bella’s story shows that recovery can begin in jail—with the right support system and structure.
    • Programs like Suboxone and Vivitrol are essential tools for safe transition out of incarceration.
    • Peer mentors and post-release support are key to reducing recidivism and sustaining recovery.
    Chapters
    00:00 Opening Reflections and Data Overview
    03:43 Introducing Kelly Gunn and Hamilton County Programs
    06:42 The Need for Structured Reentry Support
    09:32 Partnering with Other Jails and Expanding Services
    12:57 Launch Hope and Refuel Wellness
    18:23 Medication-Assisted Treatment and Harm Reduction
    21:26 Measuring Success Beyond Recidivism
    24:44 Jennifer Bella's Story: Loss, Addiction, and Incarceration
    30:28 Transformation Through Launch Hope
    34:14 Reentry, Peer Coaching, and Continued Barriers
    41:08 Stigma, Determination, and a Message of Hope
    46:51 Looking Ahead

    Podcast Information
    Hosted by Dean Babcock and Jodi Miller
    Interview Segment Producer: Angela Shamblin
    Personal Story Producer: Shawn P Neal
    Executive Producer: Shawn P Neal
    Mixed at AvoCast Studio236

    Episode Hashtags
    #BeyondSubstance #RecoveryBehindBars #LaunchHope #PeerSupport #SubstanceUseRecovery #HarmReduction #ReentryPrograms #TOWERProgram #AddictionRecoveryStories #CriminalJusticeReform #PublicHealthInJails #IndianaRecovery #NaloxoneSavesLives #MATPrograms #StigmaFreeRecovery #RefuelWellness #JenniferBella #ShawnPNeal #AdvoCast #CommunityHealing
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    48 min
  • Knowledge is Power

    Knowledge is Power
    May 1 2025
    In this episode of Beyond Substance, hosts Dean Babcock and Jodi Miller explore the critical intersection of research, personal experience, and community support in addressing substance use and recovery. They engage with experts Dr. Brad Ray and Dr. Katrina "Kat" Thomas, who share insights on drug trends, the impact of overdose data, and the importance of empathy and education in combating stigma. The conversation emphasizes the need for harm reduction strategies, the role of naloxone, and the power of personal stories in fostering hope and resilience within communities.

    Segment 1
    Dr. Brad Ray is a Senior Researcher at RTI International with a PhD in Sociology and Anthropology who conducts research at the intersection of public health and public safety that is aimed at overdose prevention. His training includes multiple quantitative and qualitative methodologies, and he has been the principal investigator on grants from the National Institutes on Health, Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, the National Science Foundation, and the National Institute of Justice. He has conducted numerous randomized trials, integrated large statewide datasets to identify overdose touchpoints, and studied the implementation of multiple harm reduction strategies. Dr. Ray also oversees technical assistance to state governments to implement programming at the intersection of public health and public safety systems.

    Segment 2
    In this conversation, Dr. Katrina "Kat" Thomas shares her personal journey through substance use and recovery, highlighting the impact of trauma and the importance of seeking help. She discusses her transition from personal struggles to a professional career in counseling and advocacy, emphasizing the evolving landscape of substance use and the need for community support. Dr. Kat addresses the stigma surrounding addiction and the misconceptions that persist, ultimately encouraging listeners to seek reliable resources and never give up hope.

    Takeaways
    • Fentanyl has taken over the illegal opioid market.
    • The transition from heroin to fentanyl has changed drug use dynamics.
    • Drug seizures can lead to increased overdose risks.
    • Naloxone distribution is crucial for overdose prevention.
    • Listening to people with lived experience is vital for effective interventions.
    • Stigma surrounding substance use continues to be a major barrier.
    • Radical empathy is essential in service work.

    Chapters
    00:00 Opening
    01:55 Understanding Drug Trends and Overdose Data
    04:58 The Role of Research in Public Health
    10:03 The Impact of Drug Seizures on Overdoses
    14:51 Innovative Approaches to Harm Reduction
    19:55 Dispelling Myths About Substance Use
    25:06 The Journey of Recovery and Resilience
    30:07 Advocacy and the Power of Personal Experience
    35:13 The Importance of Community Support
    40:01 Looking Ahead: Future Conversations on Recovery

    Hosted by Dean Babcock and Jodi Miller
    Interview Segment Producer: Angela Shamblin
    Personal Story Producer: Shawn P Neal
    Executive Producer: Shawn P Neal
    Mixed at AvoCast Studio236

    #BeyondSubstance #SubstanceUseRecovery #HarmReduction #OpioidCrisis #NaloxoneSavesLives #FentanylAwareness #AddictionRecoveryStories #TraumaInformedCare #DrugPolicyReform #MentalHealthMatters #RecoveryIsPossible #PeerSupport #OverdosePrevention #RadicalEmpathy #StigmaFreeRecovery #PublicHealthResearch #CriminalJusticeReform #LivedExperienceMatters #IndianaRecovery #CommunityHealing #ShawnPNeal #AdvoCast
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    51 min
  • The Impact of Substance Use Disorder on Pregnancy

    The Impact of Substance Use Disorder on Pregnancy
    Mar 1 2025
    This episode of Beyond Substance explores the complex and often misunderstood topic of substance use disorder during pregnancy and beyond. Hosts Dean Babcock talks with expert Dr. Camila Arnado and Jodi Miller talks with Ashna Clark.

    Segment 1: Co-Host Dean Babcock talks with Dr. Camila Arnaudo. Dr. Arnaudo shares her journey as an addiction psychiatrist, her insights on the complexities of substance use among pregnant individuals, and the evolving trends in substance use. The discussion emphasizes the importance of understanding the risks involved and the need for supportive care for pregnant individuals facing substance use disorders. This conversation delves into the complexities of substance use during and after pregnancy, highlighting the critical postpartum period where risks of relapse and overdose increase.

    Segment 2: In our personal story, Co-Host Jodi Miller welcomes Ashna Clark. Ashna shares her profound journey through addiction, motherhood, and recovery. She reflects on her challenging childhood, early pregnancies, and the difficult decisions she made, including giving her first child up for adoption. Ashna discusses her struggles with substance abuse, the turning points that led her to seek help, and the importance of community support in her recovery. Now a child advocate, she emphasizes the significance of being a present and loving mother, while also offering hope and encouragement to others facing similar challenges.

    Takeaways
    • There are significant barriers to treatment for pregnant women with substance use disorders.
    • The postpartum period presents unique challenges and risks for mothers in recovery.
    • Stigma and fear of judgment prevent many from seeking help.
    • Mothers often love their children deeply, despite their struggles with addiction.
    • The relationship between mother and baby can motivate recovery efforts.
    • Compassionate care is essential in treating substance use disorders during pregnancy.

    Chapters
    00:00 Introduction to Substance Use Disorder and Pregnancy
    03:08 Understanding the Statistics and Challenges
    06:01 Expert Insights from Dr. Camila Arnado
    12:12 The Complexities of Substance Use During Pregnancy
    17:50 The Postpartum Period: Risks and Realities
    23:59 Stigma and Barriers to Seeking Help
    30:00 Ashna Clark's Journey: A Personal Story of Recovery
    42:03 Hope and Support: Building a New Life
    45:52 Conclusion and Future Discussions
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    49 min

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