Cyber crime is now a daily fact of life and a significant concern in both the private and public sectors but our response capabilities do not seem to be keeping up. This episode dives deep into one organization that is combatting this problem with a combination of academic research, industry expertise and hands-on training with the founder and CEO, Herbert Fensury.

While cyber security is a global problem, economics and politics dictate different solution requirements. The Canadian Cyber Assessment, Training and Experimentation (CATE) Centre is both cutting edge and focused on Canadian cyber resilience at both a regional and national level.

20 years after their paths first crossed, three Canadian security professionals regroup to discuss a new risk management strategy book based on hard won field experience. Patrick Hayes was a security strategist before organizations knew this was success differentiator. For decades he has been guiding organizations large and small, public, private and government on balancing business objectives with security. Mr. Haye's new book "Integrated Assurance: Unified Risk Strategy" is destined to become a reference for others tasked with supporting enterprise security and he has recently added a Substack series on the emerging threats of AI, again from the focus of an adversary intent on mission interruption.

Part 2 of this summer break episode takes a bit of a light hearted look at the cyber security industry predictions that become the norm in late December and early January. Eight or nine months later, how accurate where they? Take a listen, there are a couple surprises.

The conversation uncovers a few ongoing challenges with the cyber security industry, from the digital divide associated with aging to organizational shifts away from engineering principles.

A book by security pioneer Bruce Schneier is mentioned late in the show and Doug managed to mangle the title twice, but did read, and does recommend the book.