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Change is Hard Y'all

Change is Hard Y'all

Auteur(s): Leslie Shai and Erin
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Listen to deeply personal stories of those who have chosen the road of “hard change” and made drastic pivots in their lives in the pursuit of true authenticity - breaking away from ultra-conservative religious families despite the fallout; leaving corporate success for something more personally meaningful; ending decades-long marriages that no longer work; finding freedom from addiction or abuse. Join us as we search for the catalyst of hard change, and find out what was lost and what was gained along the way.



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  • Charlie's story
    Jul 5 2025

    The theme of “hard change” is no stranger to today’s guest, Charlie. Born Irish-Catholic outside Boston, Massachusetts, he will share with us about battling addiction, coming out of the closet, losing housing, refusing to give up on dreams, and finding out the value of chosen family.

    While Charlie bravely recounts deeply personal struggles, he reminds us of how all-too-common they are, and gives insight into what we can do to reach out to each other during these crucial turning points.

    A licensed clinical social worker and trauma-informed counselor, Charlie works every day to fight for those that our society chooses to ignore. Erin and Charlie have been friends and chosen family for just over a decade, and she couldn’t be prouder of his hard-won change.

    Music by The Rough and Tumble, find more at: https://www.theroughandtumble.com/

    Write to us at: changeishardyall@gmail.com


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    55 min
  • Donna's Story
    Jun 26 2025

    While there is nothing linear or straightforward about the work of healing from religious trauma, our guest today bravely walks us through some key things that made it possible for her to begin. Donna and our co-host Erin met over 20 years ago as students at the same ultra-conservative, evangelical Christian university. Donna's path after graduation included teaching English in China, learning Kung Fu martial arts, marrying "outside the church", and breaking free from conservative evangelicalism.

    Donna walks us through some of the fallout that often happens with family when someone leaves the Christian church, and the cost when you dare to shine a light on the patriarchal power structures that enable male domination and abuse. She also gives insight into the things that enabled her "hard change" in life - the gift of reading; the influence of one dynamic professor; the patience of a loving partner.

    A writer, mother, and all around bad-ass woman, we are honored to speak with Donna today about her story!

    Music by The Rough and Tumble, find more at: https://www.theroughandtumble.com/

    Write to us at: changeishardyall@gmail.com


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    1 h
  • Talking with Pastor Dixon
    May 24 2025

    We are honored to welcome Pastor Thomas Dixon to the podcast! It is not hyperbole to say that Pastor Dixon is a true social justice icon in Charleston. For the past twenty plus years, he has been on the streets, in the courtroom, in the boardroom, at city hall, in the churches and at the political party lectern.

    With humility, introspection, and humor, Pastor Dixon tells us how he went from struggling with addiction and a stint in prison to devoting all of his time to making our city and state a more equitable, fair, and compassionate place for everyone.

    Music by The Rough and Tumble, find more at: https://www.theroughandtumble.com/

    Write to us at: changeishardyall@gmail.com


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    59 min

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