Épisodes

  • How Choice for Students Gets Us to Responsibility
    Jul 23 2024

    Families’ choice of school for their children is not the only kind of choice that matters educationally. It may well not be the most important kind, either. We heard from parents in Episode 4 who were concerned with whether or not their kids learned to think and act for themselves, and in the process, to take responsibility for who they were in the world. What do educators think about this?

    When educators wrestle with questions of student choice and responsibility, the differences revolve around when and how much -- and almost never about whether choice and responsibility matter. But the broad strokes of what we know are clear in research and in our discussion here: choice motivates student interest and effort, choice forms the ground for taking responsibility, and choice is both ground for and marker of shared life in a democratic community.

    00:00 Introduction to the Second Season Dr. Barbara Stengel

    01:24 Choice generates motivation, responsibility, and democracy Stengel

    03:51 Introductions Anna Bernstein, middle level English teacher/coach; Sara Sjerven, independent school English teacher/coach; Liz Self, high school English teacher

    08:11 So what about choice? Links to teachers’ autonomy, curricular constraints and self-censorship Bernstein, Stengel, Sjerven

    17:07 Choice as simple respect for students Self

    21:50 Choice is both challenging and necessary for learning Bernstein, Sjerven

    26:18 Why choice? Community of learners Stengel, Sjerven

    30:10 Why choice? Other people in all their glory! Self

    33:30 Why choice? The purpose of public school in a democracy Bernstein, Stengel

    36:55 Bring on responsibility (gender, time, desire, perspective) Self, Stengel, Sjerven

    41:35 Whose choices? Whose agency? Whose responsibility? Sjerven, Stengel

    44:30 Disillusionment is understandable; is response possible? Bernstein

    46:55 What’s privilege got to do with it? Students’ economic value Sjerven, Stengel,

    50:03 Does responsibility precede choice? Sjerven, Bernstein

    53:16 The continuous enlargement of the space of the possible Self

    56:40 Supports for teachers who design for choice? Stengel, Bernstein, Sjerven,

    63:39 Community, creativity and trust for teachers Stengel

    66:20 This is the end of Season 2. Join us in the fall for Season 3!

    Many thanks to the committed and accomplished teachers who agreed to inform our thinking for this episode! These include Anna Bernstein, Sara Sjerven, and Liz Self.

    As usual, there are references to a variety of social, educational and historical news and commentary. You can pursue our sources and find out more about these issues at our website:

    www.chasingbaileypod.com.

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    1 h et 4 min
  • Reading Wars Redux: The Science of Reading
    Mar 20 2024

    Folks have been debating how to teach reading at least since 1985. At that time, the issue was framed as top-down vs. bottom-up.

    This makes the debate seem “tidy,” just two sides with clear delineation. You were FOR phonics (bottom up) or you were FOR textual understanding (top down), but you couldn’t be for both. In truth, there were no teachers then or now who don’t value both, who don’t tailor their teaching to the instructional moment of their students, individually and collectively.

    Well, we’re at the reading wars again, but the slogan now is “the science of reading” and all the educational reformers are hopping on the bandwagon. In this episode, we ask teachers to make sense of the science of reading and what it has to do with the real challenges and real joys in helping youngsters become readers.

    00:00 Introduction to the Second Season Dr. Barbara Stengel

    01:24 The “Reading Wars” are back!! Stengel

    04:24 DC teacher Katie Mazenko on complexity and challenge Mazenko; Stengel

    07:42 Is balance bad?? How to get skill, will and thrill. Stengel; Sara Abu Rumman, IN public school literacy coach

    11:49 A new teacher faces the challenge Maddie Bernards, 1st grade teacher in CA; Stengel

    14:14 What’s developmentally “normal” in reading development? Stengel; Mazenko; Sarah Ockenhouse, 3rd grade Nashville teacher

    19:08 Joy in skill development and watching kids become readers Stengel; Ockenhouse

    21:10 And why test scores don’t reflect actual development? Stengel; Ockenhouse

    22:20 What do reading researchers think? Don’t legislate! Stengel

    23:25 Understanding the value of phonics in learning to read Stengel; Cara Furman, Hunter College

    30:10 Juggling the different needs of youngsters learning to read Stengel; Furman

    33:04 The important of teacher autonomy in teaching reading Stengel; Krystal Dillard, co-Director,

    38:41 Curriculum and materials that encourage reading and readers Stengel; Dillard

    40:54 Structured literacy is back! In a context of external controls Stengel; Ocheze Joseph, Director of Teacher Education, American University

    45:20 (How) Are novice teachers prepared to take this on? Stengel; Ockenhouse; Bernards

    48:50 Can the system shift to make first rate reading instruction possible for all? Stengel, Bernards; Abu Rumman;

    55:01 What motivates the slogan “science of reading”? Maybe money, maybe politics Stengel; Dillard

    56:28 Relationships and teacher judgment in the face of a “manufactured crisis”: the Chasing Bailey touchstone Stengel

    59:16 Join us next time to think about choice as it impacts concrete interactions between teachers and students (and yes, parents too!)

    Many thanks to the guests who agreed to inform our thinking for this episode! These include Katelyn Mazenko, Sara Abu Rumman, Maddie Bernards, Dr. Cara Furman, Krystal Dillard, Sarah Ockenhouse, and Dr. Ocheze Joseph.

    As usual, there are references to a variety of social, educational and historical news and commentary. You can pursue our sources and find out more about these issues at our website:

    www.chasingbaileypod.com.

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    1 h et 1 min
  • What Do Parents REALLY Want?
    Feb 5 2024

    Today we don’t talk enough about John Dewey’s call to educational equity and its impact on democracy. Instead, small groups of parents (most notably Moms for Liberty) are prompting battles in local school boards to ban books, to fight racially inclusive curriculum, and to limit the rights and constrain the very existence of transgender and questioning youth.

    But some other parents – the majority it seems -- are fighting back to say clearly that these are not concerns they care about. What DO they care about? If this episode’s guests are taken seriously, families care about their children’s happiness, curiosity, safety, diversity, relationships – and recess!! It’s not that they don’t want academic learning for their youngsters, but they seem to understand … as most educators do, that happiness, curiosity, etc. will ensure the right academic achievement to power both economic capacity and living well.


    00:00 Introduction to the Second Season Dr. Barbara Stengel

    01:24 What do we mean when we invoke parents rights? Stengel

    04:29 Grandmas for Love challenge Moms for Liberty Stengel; Dr. Shirley Showalter, former President of Goshen College

    11:57 Do other parents agree with Grandmas for Love? It seems so! Stengel

    12:15 The special view of parents in rural areas Amanda West, expectant mother and Bailey resident; Stengel

    18:04 Supporting the Bailey grad who now has adult responsibilities Ithaca Black, Bailey parent and mother of Maia; Stengel

    22:40 Committing to the “neediest” neighborhood school Christiane Buggs, President of the MNPS School Board and mother of Christopher; Stengel

    29:50 What to do about school when your kids need very different things? Liz Self, educator and mother of Oliver, Emme, and Zola; Stengel

    39:32 How a child with multiple disabilities shapes everybody’s experience Becky Peterson, educator and mother of Finn, Hawk, and Lucy; Stengel

    47:44 Use the PTA as an entrée to care for your kids Jess Houde, educator and mother of three enrolled in the same district; Stengel

    53:33 What do dads want? Stu Smith, father of Stuie and Alana and Johnny Benson, father of Bailey and Jojo; Stengel

    1:01.58 What parents want … no surprise Stengel

    1:03:00 The link between love and success/achievement Showalter, Stengel

    1:04:40 Taking an alternate look at the whys and wherefores of parental choice

    1:06:15 Join us next time to dive into “the science of reading.”

    Many thanks to the guests who agreed to inform our thinking for this episode! These include Shirley Showalter, Amanda West, Ithaca Black, Christiane Buggs, Liz Self, Becky Peterson, Johnny Benson, and Stu Smith.

    As usual, there are references to a variety of social, educational and historical news and commentary. You can pursue our sources and find out more about these issues at our website:

    www.chasingbaileypod.com.

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    1 h et 8 min
  • Responsibility: Anchoring (Renewal in) Education
    Jan 18 2024

    This is a “bonus episode,” not part of our regular schedule, but a conversation that nonetheless deepens and expands the ideas about education that ground the podcast. In mid-December, Bloomsbury Press published Responsibility, a book authored by Dr. Barbara Stengle for their Philosophy of Education in Practice series. To help launch the book, Barb decided to sit down with 4 colleagues and invite them to make sense of what she has said and done.

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    54 min
  • Professional Development? Learning In and Through Practice
    Dec 1 2023

    Have you ever taken the time to really listen to teachers talk about their work, about their joys and frustrations, and about how they grow as they work together? This episode is an opportunity to do just that. Bailey teachers talk about their experience and offer wisdom for all of us as they do so.

    00:00 Introduction to the Second Season Dr. Barbara Stengel

    01:25 Introduction to Professional Development? The Bailey Experience Stengel

    03:55 Bailey’s Team Structure as the Engine of Professional Development Stengel, Keisha Harding, Bailey Teacher Leader now a STEM Consultant; Emily Prendergrass, Associate Professor of the Practice of Teaching Reading, Peabody College

    14:20 TLUS as a Vehicle for Learning Together to be Prepared, Not Scared Stengel, Harding, Pendergrass

    24:05 More Relational Capacity: The Synergistic Role of Residents Stengel, Lindsey Nelson, Dean of Academics; Kenan Kerr, resident, 8 year teacher, now curriculum consultant; Julia Konrad, resident, 5 year teacher, now Head of Education Research in NYC Independent Budget Office

    40:05 Job-Embedded Teachers: The Answer to Shortages? Stengel, Nelson, Kerr, Konrad

    47:58 Why Aren’t These Teachers Still in the Classroom? Stengel, Nelson, Kerr, Konrad

    54:28 What Does Teacher Learning Look Like in the Good School? And How Can We Fund THAT? Stengel

    57:15 Next Time: “Parents Rights”: Politically Volatile but Educationally Important? Not So Much Stengel

    Many thanks to the guests who agreed to inform our thinking for this episode! These include Emily Pendergrass, Keisha, Harding, Lindsey Nelson, Julia Konrad, and Kenan Kerr.

    As usual, there are references to a variety of social, educational and historical news and commentary. You can pursue our sources and find out more about these issues at our website:

    www.chasingbaileypod.com.

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    1 h
  • Autonomy? Trust and Responsibility
    Nov 1 2023

    The headlines are still screaming at us … but those headlines are not written by teachers and principals. As we saw in the last episode, most media headlines simply don’t reflect the experience or concerns of those considered actual educational experts.

    00:00 Introduction to the Second Season Dr. Barbara Stengel

    01:25 Introduction to Autonomy (a tour through the headlines from Chicago and Denver) Stengel, Camilla Modesitt, Director of External Relations, Denver Language School

    08:15 Principals’ Perspectives: “Professionalism and Empowerment with Balance and ‘Compliance’” Merida Freguada, Principal, Marrama Elementary

    12:13 Principals’ Perspective: “Innovation in Name Only” Alex Wenzel, Principal, Denver Center for International Studies

    19:55 Principals’ Perspectives: “Autonomy as Freedom, Power, and Responsibility” Modisett

    32:44 Autonomy = Trust and Responsibility Stengel, Fraguada

    33:55 Teacher Autonomy, Dead or Not Dead? Stengel

    36:45 Autonomy in the Good School: Lessons from Bailey Stengel, Claire Jasper-Crafter, Bailey Chief of Culture; Karen Dorris, Bailey Teacher Leader, Laura Laufman, Bailey Resident

    41:50 “All Their Needs Were Taken Care of” Stengel

    42:45 Next Time: Learning in and through Practice Wenzel, Stengel

    Many thanks to the guests who agreed to inform our thinking for this episode!

    As usual, there are references to a variety of social, educational and historical news and commentary. You can pursue our sources and find out more about these issues at our website: www.chasingbaileypod.com.

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    46 min
  • Season 2 Episode 2 Teaser
    Oct 29 2023

    The Pandemic is endemic, or nearly so. We’re still getting sick at all the wrong times, but the impact on most who actually test positive for COVID-19 are annoying rather than debilitating. But the pandemic left us with a huge educational hangover, and the headlines really are screaming at us. As always, our interest is in the experience of those who are on the ground.

    Full Episode releases on November 1st.

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    2 min
  • Post-Pandemic Responsibility and Recovery
    Oct 1 2023

    The Pandemic is endemic, or nearly so. We’re still getting sick at all the wrong times, but the impact on most who actually test positive for COVID-19 are annoying rather than debilitating. But the pandemic left us with a huge educational hangover, and the headlines really are screaming at us. As always, our interest is in the experience of those who are on the ground.

    00:00 Introduction to the Second Season Dr. Barbara Stengel

    01:30 Introduction to Post-Pandemic Recovery (a tour through the headlines) Stengel

    06:37 The Bailey Perspective (featuring teacher leaders) Whitney Weathers Bradley, Kelly Aldridge Boyd, LeKeisha Harding, and Lindsey Nelson

    19:35 Experience on the Ground in Lancaster, PA Stengel

    20:44 Principals’ Perspective: “We Got This” Melanie Martinez, Principal, Wharton Elementary School

    23:45 COVID-19 as a Magnifying Glass for Persistent Problems Baron Jones, Principal of Martic Middle School; Barb Smentek, science teacher, Lincoln Middle School; Martinez

    32:44 Teachers’ Perspectives Stengel

    33:55 Learning Loss Amanda Aikens, Dean of Students, Ross Elementary School; Julia Rios Schwartz, 4th grade teacher, Martin Elementary School

    36:45 What’s the Message? Stengel, Aikens, Rios Schwartz

    40:34 The Central Role of Community Rios Schwartz, Stengel, Smentek

    44:04 Community and Connection Jones, Stengel

    45:43 Neglecting Academics Stengel, Smentek

    47:40 Positive Outcomes of the Pandemic? Stengel, Martinez

    49:11 Caring for Teachers Stengel, Aikens, Jones

    54:10 Teachers Disheartened and Frustrated Rios Schwartz, Stengel, Smentek

    56:30 What Now? Stengel

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    1 h