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 A podcast exploring Mutuality


Conversations towards a world that work for everyone


About us


Entangled Futures is a podcast exploring the world of mutuality, produced by Lucas Tauil.

Engaging in conversation with the people shaping collective spaces, we aim to identify adjacent possibilities— new opportunities for collaboration and innovation—that nourish a planet where everyone can thrive.

This work is the result of the excellence and dedication of an amazing team: Ira Nezhynska led the design, Kika created the music, Clara Chemin was the narrator, Paul d'Aoust developed the website, Mamading Ceesay handled the infrastructure, Matthew Nichols took care of integration and Jonathan Patecki edited the animations.


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Come together! Help us bring the next season to life. You can support the show with a credit card on our Patreon page, (https://patreon.com/EntangledFutures) or with crypto using the Ethereum wallet, ENS: entangledfutures.eth.


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The show is brought to you by the Holochain Foundation. Holochain is creating technology that helps people team up, share information, and solve their own problems together—without needing a middle-man. Creating carriers that cannot be captured, Holochain enables privacy and holds space for innovation and mutuality.


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Lucas Tauil is a trained, and seasoned communicator focused on participative culture and collaboration. Connected to the world of sustainability and decentralised technology he has worked as a Journalist for two decades in mainstream media.

Working with the power of difference and collective intelligence on multiple stakeholders organisations since 2001, Lucas is part of Enspiral, a collective of people working on stuff that matters.

Together with his partner Sandra Chemin and eight other families, Lucas co-founded Quintal Magico, a communitarian Steiner school in Paraty, Brazil. The couple sailed for six years with their two daughters from England to New Zealand.

©2025 Lucas Tauil Politique Sciences sociales
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  • Fungi to Finance: Mycelial Patterns in Governance

    Fungi to Finance: Mycelial Patterns in Governance
    Sep 18 2025
    In this episode, Jeff Emmett, author of Exploring MyCofi: Mycelial Design Patterns for Web3 and Beyond, shares insights on how fungi can inspire the redesign of governance and economic systems. As a co-founder of the Common Stack and token engineering researcher at BlockScience, Jeff has developed tools and blueprints for communities to tackle collective action problems. Drawing on natural patterns, he explores how mycelium-inspired frameworks can increase institutional resilience, enable regenerative economies, and foster mutuality.The conversation touches on the intersections of ecology, distributed technologies, and governance. Jeff discusses how lessons from fungi—such as resource allocation, fractal structures, and adaptogenic resilience—can be applied to human systems. He also examines experiments in decentralized finance, governance models like conviction voting, and the potential for nested economies.Jeff explores:How mycelial principles inspire new governance and resource allocation systemsWhy diverse, local, and fractalized economies are more resilientWhat regenerative finance can learn from ecological cyclesWatch this episode on YouTubeListen to this episode:Apple PodcastsSpotifyPocket CastsRSS FeedThemesMycelial Design Principles – How fungi’s resource allocation and coherence can inform economic and governance systems.Fractal and Nested Economies – Building resilient, decentralized economies that scale from local to global.Alternative Governance Models – Exploring conviction voting, bonding curves, and trust-based signaling.Mutual Credit and Generosity – Lessons from ecological support networks for economic cooperation.Adaptogenic Principles – Translating resilience and adaptability from biology into organizational design.Decentralized Finance and Inclusion – How distributed ledgers and offline transactions can enable bottom-up economies.Timestamps00:00 — Institutional neuroplasticity and Mycofi principles02:06 — Introducing Jeff Emmett and his work03:07 — Background: from distributed systems to fungi05:45 — Fungal coherence and resource allocation07:34 — Six design principles inspired by fungi09:41 — Beyond money: multidimensional value systems12:35 — Lessons from fungi for governance in times of abundance and decay15:21 — Underground networks and mutual credit17:57 — Governance mechanisms and biomimicry18:35 — Streaming trust and adaptive governance models22:12 — Global experiments in governance: Taiwan, Ethereum, and beyond26:33 — Conviction voting explained29:54 — Bonding curves as economic membranes32:35 — Distributed ledger tech and shifts in power37:29 — Nested economies and ecological parallels40:19 — Stable currencies without violence-based enforcement42:09 — Wealth Defense Industry and resource distribution45:23 — Arbitrage and mushrooms as natural equilibrators47:01 — Gradients of mutualism and economic incentives49:53 — Subsidiarity and supersediarity in governance52:24 — Adaptogenic principles and psilocybinetics54:59 — Trophic levels and upcycling of energy56:53 — DeFi and resilient bottom-up economies59:01 — Offline transactions and financial inclusion1:00:28 — Designing ideal bottom-up economies1:03:46 — Validated data, experimentation, and the future of governance1:04:13 — Closing reflectionsResourcesExploring MyCofi: Mycelial Design Patterns for Web3 and Beyond – Jeff EmmettPaul StametsMerlin Sheldrake – Entangled LifeToby Kiers – Research on fungal marketsMichael ZarghamBernard Lietaer – Community currenciesElinor Ostrom – Principles for managing commonsDonella Meadows – Thinking in SystemsAstrid Scholz - Tackling the Wealth Defense IndustryAudrey TangMichel BauwensTranscript:Jeff Emmett (00:00)If these adaptogenic mushrooms help our brains grow new neural pathways as individuals, maybe if we apply these Mycofi principles in organizations, they can increase institutional neuroplasticity. They can allow for new ways to sense things, new ways to cohere around what's important and new ways to act by creating these sensing governance pathways and these acting funding pathways and allow them to proliferate in new organizational forms.Lucas Tauil (00:32)Welcome to Entangled Futures with Lucas Tauil where we explore mutuality in conversations towards a world that works for everyone.Lucas Tauil (00:50)This episode is brought to you by the Holochain Foundation. Holochain is creating technology that allows people to team up, share information, and solve their own problems without needing a middleman. Creating carriers that cannot be captured, Holochain enables privacy and holds space for innovation and mutuality. I first came across the project in 2018.During my journey into participative culture with Unsparil. My good friend Hailey Cooperider pointed me to the green paper and I was blown away by the vision of a local first decentralized internet. I worked for five years on the project and feel ...
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    1 h et 5 min
  • Going Horizontal: Indigenous Wisdom, Listening & the Future of Work

    Going Horizontal: Indigenous Wisdom, Listening & the Future of Work
    Sep 11 2025
    Samantha Slade, author of Going Horizontal and co-founder of Percolab, shares her journey from education and anthropology into pioneering participatory leadership and practical ways to work together.Slade reflects on how early life experiences—from teaching in remote Canadian communities to witnessing a revolution in Central America—shaped her views on power, courage, and the need for authenticity in the workplace. Samantha discusses how horizontal practices can transform organizations, why listening is the foundation of collaboration, and how Indigenous traditions influence her approach to leadership and organizational design.Together, we explore:Rethinking Hierarchy – Why organizations don’t need to be monarchies to be effective.The Power of Listening – How listening culture creates psychological safety and shared responsibility.Indigenous Wisdom – Lessons from Indigenous practices on stewardship, spirit, and complexity.Abundance Mindset – Power and knowledge as renewable and expansive resources.Care & Productivity – How relational well-being directly fuels organizational outcomes.Watch this episode on YouTubeListen on: Apple Podcasts | Spotify | Pocket Casts | RSS FeedThemesHorizontal Leadership – Moving from command-and-control to collaborative structures.Courage & Authenticity – Bringing full humanity, including difficult emotions, into the workplace.Indigenous Practices – Integrating stewardship, reciprocity, and spirit into modern organizations.Listening as a Practice – Developing cultures of deep listening to build trust and effectiveness.Abundance & Power – Reframing power as limitless and collective rather than scarce.Care & Productivity – Understanding care not as a distraction but as the driver of engagement.TimestampsBeginnings & Inspirations00:00 — Welcome & Introduction of Samantha Slade00:39 — From education to questioning hierarchy02:48 — Founding Percolab as an applied research labEarly Life & Formative Experiences05:45 — Teaching in a fly-in community in Northern Canada07:56 — Witnessing revolution and resilience in Nicaragua09:40 — Surviving a human trafficking attempt and finding courage13:24 — Reconnecting authenticity and emotions in workspacesWorkplace Dynamics & Horizontal Practices16:19 — Why workplaces are monarchies, not democracies17:56 — Gallup research on global employee disengagement19:09 — Small shifts that transform organizational culture21:01 — Talking circles and conflict resolution in practiceAbundance, Reciprocity & Indigenous Wisdom22:50 — Open-sourcing practices & shifting from scarcity to abundance24:30 — Standing on the shoulders of cultural traditions26:20 — Why Going Horizontal is an action, not a destination29:10 — Scaling collaboration: from small groups to large organizationsTrust, Structure & Leadership35:36 — Building conditions for trust in organizations37:00 — Horizontal systems are structured, not structureless39:56 — Key diagnostic: listening culture as a first step42:28 — “Listen For” – a game to cultivate listening practicesCare, Power & Decolonization43:46 — Why care and productivity belong together47:32 — Navigating crises collectively, not alone50:25 — Power as abundant rather than scarce54:09 — Decolonizing organizational practices59:18 — Stewardship and the “Keeper of Spirit” roleSuccess Stories & Closing Reflections01:06:58 — Revitalizing Inuit language and agency through strategic planning01:12:56 — Shifting from performative to well-being indicators01:16:05 — Closing gratitude & reflectionsReferences📖 Going Horizontal: Creating a Non-Hierarchical Organization, One Practice at a Time – Samantha Slade📚 Tyson Yunkaporta – Sand Talk: How Indigenous Thinking Can Save the World📚 David Snowden – Work on complexity and sense-making📖 Wade Davis – The Wayfinders: Why Ancient Wisdom Matters in the Modern World📚 Otto Scharmer – Theory UTranscriptLucas Tauil (00:02.044)Today we welcome Samantha Slade, author of Going Horizontal, creating a non-hierarchical organization, one practice at a time. Samantha Slade is the co-founder of the Percolab, where she pioneers culture-driven practices and operational tools to grow participatory leadership. Sam, such an honor to have you here. Welcome.Samantha Slade (00:28.066)Thank you so much. I'm delighted to be here.Lucas Tauil (00:31.325)Could you start by sharing a bit about your journey and what first drew you into working with horizontal organizations?Samantha Slade (00:39.98)Hmm. Where to start? How far back should I go? So I mean, I can start with a professional worker, Samantha. My first career was in the realm of education and I was very successful in it and went up the ladder. And as I went up, I just kept feeling stranger and stranger inside my belly that something was amiss, that this wasn't howthe world was supposed to work. This wasn't how I was designed to function. And until after 16 ...
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    1 h et 15 min
  • Economies That Flow: An Open Source Blueprint

    Economies That Flow: An Open Source Blueprint
    Sep 4 2025
    In this episode, Lynn Foster—champion of open-source software and co-author of the Value Flows vocabulary—shares her journey from corporate software development to creating commons-based economic infrastructures. She explains how Value Flows provides a shared language for representing economic activity, enabling projects and organizations to coordinate without relying on siloed systems. At the heart of this work is REA accounting (Resources, Events, Agents), an elegant model that traces real-world flows of resources and interactions across networks.Foster explains how Value Flows and REA accounting enable interoperability across distributed systems and why ontologies, that is shared vocabularies are critical for both people and software to communicate effectively. She also reflects on the real-world impact of projects such as cooperative supply chains and regenerative networks.Lynn Foster explores:Code vs. Community – How open-source software becomes powerful when a community organizes around it.From ERP to REA – Why flow-based accounting creates clarity across networks and ecosystems.Networks of Networks – The potential of Value Flows and Holochain integration to connect grassroots initiatives.Watch this episode on YouTubeListen to this episode:Apple Podcasts • Spotify • Pocket Casts • RSS FeedThemes:Open Source as Commons – How shared vocabularies and cooperative communities make technology durable.Ontologies & Interoperability – Why common data meanings allow software ecosystems to plug and play.Flow-Based Accounting (REA/Value Flows) – Moving beyond double-entry into transparent, cross-network flows.Distributed Architectures – What makes Holochain different and better suited for decentralized collaboration.Regenerative Supply Chains – Lessons from the Carbon Farm Network and other next-economy experiments.Contribution Economies – Models that reward contributions fairly and support resilience.Timestamps:Origins & Foundations00:00 — Opening reflections on open source as a growing seed01:53 — Lynn’s background and introduction to Value Flows & hREA03:07 — Leaving corporate software to build economic commons04:35 — First “aha moment” in open source: a stranger contributes a logo05:08 — The difference between open source code and open source communityValue Flows & Ontologies06:20 — The Open App Ecosystem: modular tools like Lego blocks06:52 — Why vocabularies are needed for interoperability07:40 — APIs vs. shared vocabularies: simplifying collaboration08:17 — Ten years of Value Flows: what has evolvedPatterns & Flows08:40 — Conway’s Law: communication shapes technology10:30 — Supply chains and the shift from “best company” to “best supply chain”11:16 — Trust and transparency across enterprises12:20 — Expanding the surface of cooperation rather than competingREA & Network Resource Planning13:50 — REA explained: Resources, Events, Agents15:35 — Three layers: policy, planning, and observation16:55 — Directed graphs: tracing resource provenance and flows18:10 — From ERP’s silos to NRP’s networks19:30 — Working with Sensorica on open hardware and contribution accountingOntologies in Practice21:09 — What ontologies are and why they matter22:53 — Shared meaning for humans and software alike24:28 — Configurability and taxonomies: flexibility without lock-in26:54 — Digital Product Passports in the EU as a use caseDistributed Systems & Carbon Farm Network27:58 — What makes Holochain unique: no central servers29:35 — Using Value Flows to connect Holochain networks31:30 — hREA as a generic backend for many user experiences31:55 — Case study: the Carbon Farm Network in New York33:21 — Supporting sustainability and local supply chains34:46 — Challenges: funding cuts, infrastructure closures, systemic inequality36:30 — Possibilities for cooperative ownership of spinning millsBroader Applications & Future Directions38:45 — Offers/Needs apps, mutual credit, barter, and gift economies40:58 — Contribution economies and benefit distribution algorithms42:10 — EU projects: Reflow, Fab City, and The Weathermakers43:50 — Expanding agents/resources to rivers, forests, carbon, nitrogen45:46 — Regional planning and resilience after crises47:28 — Building relationships now for resilience in uncertain futures49:41 — Small pieces of the puzzle: upward spirals of collaboration51:00 — Closing reflections on the importance of collective effortReferences:REA Accounting Model – Bill McCarthyValue Flows Vocabulary – Co-created by Lynn Foster, Bob Haugen, and collaboratorsDigital Product Passports (EU Initiative) – Ongoing regulatory frameworkSensorica – Open value network experiments in contribution accountingTranscriptLynn Foster (00:00.076)I think open source is one of these seeds that's kind of growing within the beast, so to speak, where it organically appears and it wants to be born. It takes us beyond the...
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    52 min
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