This is a recording of an interview that David Vaka from Breakthrough Church International did with me on Prophetic Ministry in the Marketplace.

Looking at the differences between the prophetic in the church and in the marketplace.

I do get very real with some of the stories of how I have applied the prophetic in the the various real life circumstances that I have been involved in.

I do refer to 2 Chairs by Bob Beaudine, if you haven't read that book as yet, here is the link to it: https://amzn.to/3XH3ha2

Here is the story of the Frogs & Lizards that I refer to:

Have you ever noticed how differently frogs and lizards acquire their food? The frog sits and waits for the food to come to him. When an unlucky insect happens to fly by, he simply sticks out his tongue and reels it in. If the lizard sat around like the frog, however, he'd starve to death. So he goes out into his world and hunts.

Now the frog in this analogy is the Vocational Christian Worker. He goes off to seminary, gets a degree and goes on staff somewhere. Before you know it, ministry opportunities are coming to him and he has his hands full. In fact, when big frogs come to town they have to hide in hotel rooms or they'll be swamped.

The lizard, on the other hand, is a layperson. Ministry does not come seeking him out. Instead, he must move around in his environment; assess his sphere of influence; establish friendships; serve people; and, once he has earned the right to be heard, be ready to give an account for the hope that is in him.

I think the main problem today in world evangelization is the under-utilization of the lizard. And a big part of the problem lies with the frog. Let's face it, he has a tendency to steal the show.

What's more, the layperson looks at the Vocational Christian Worker and says to himself, " I can never be as great as that ." And he's probably right as long as he defines the ministry in frog terms!

The lizard needs to know how God can use him as the lizard that he is! And when he catches that vision, when he learns that evangelism is not an event but a process, and when he tastes the joy of seeing a friend find the Savior, he'll never want to give the ministry back to the frog again!

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