Zozan Balci is a researcher and author who explores the lived experiences of

mixed heritage individuals navigating cultural in-betweenness. Born in Germany to Italian and

Turkish migrant parents, Zozan lost her ability to speak Turkish as a child - a loss that sparked

years of reflection and ultimately became the foundation of her PhD research. In this

conversation, Zozan shares powerful stories from her book about the emotional weight of

being “ambiguously Brown,” the invasive “Where are you from?” question, and how “in-

betweeners” often erase parts of themselves to fit into dominant cultures. She discusses the

racialization of cultural identity, the deep connection between language and relationships,

and why well-meaning practices of inclusion can emphasise differences and eventually harm

children. Zozan also introduces her documentary project “Say Our Names,” which addresses

the everyday microaggression of name mispronunciation, and shares practical strategies for

creating micro-inclusions. This episode challenges listeners to sit with discomfort, question

their assumptions about belonging, and recognise that mixedness isn’t a deficit - it’s a rich,

valid identity deserving of recognition and respect.

Chapters:

• 0:00 - Introduction & Welcome

• 1:41 – The Personal Story Behind the Research

• 5:00 – The Experience of “Ambiguous Brownness”

• 10:00 – Feeling Not Enough of Anything

• 15:51 – Why People Reject or Embrace Heritage Languages

• 20:00 – Language as Connection, Not Asset

• 24:59 – Race, Visibility, and Identity

• 25:00 – Normalizing Mixedness

• 30:00 – The Exhausting Emotional Labor

• 33:30 – Say Our Names Documentary

• 40:00 – Empowering Multilingual Students in Classrooms

• 45:00 – Resisting Academic Conformity

• 50:00 – The Myth of Objectivity in Social Science

• 52:30 – Final Words of Wisdom

• 55:29 – Dr. Rukia Odero’s Wisdom

• 56:50 – What Does “Migrant” Mean?

• 58:40 – What Is Home?

• 1:00:00 – Before and After: Finding Authentic Voice

• 1:02:33 – What’s Next: Micro-Inclusion & Closing

Resources mentioned:

- Book: Erased Voices and Unspoken Heritage: Language, Identity and Belonging in the

Lives of Cultural In-betweeners, by Zozan Balci. Available in Routledge.

- Thesis: To Speak or Not to Speak? The Dilemma of Heritage Language and Identity for the Culturally Hybrid Generation, by Zozan Balci. Available here: https://opus.lib.uts.edu.au/bitstream/10453/147366/2/02whole.pdf - Documentary: “Say Our Names” https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qz2PUakvfH8 - TV Show: “Kim’s Convenience” (Canadian TV show about a Korean migrant family -recommended for its honest, funny take on identity). Connect with Zozan: LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/drzozanbalci/

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Dr. Sarah Aratchi brings a powerful and heartfelt account of migrating to Australia as a child, reflecting on the everyday realities being “othered” due to her surname and skin colour. She unpacks the lasting impact of being “the brown kid” in school and the constant questioning about where she’s “really from” that followed her into adulthood.

The conversation also highlights the subtle ways in which sexism pervades the medical field - from being misidentified as a nurse to continually having to assert her expertise as a doctor. Rather than viewing her dual heritage as a burden, Sarah embraces what she calls being a “cross-cultural kid” - someone who can authentically inhabit multiple cultural spaces. She encourages others to resist the pressure to choose between identities, instead celebrating the richness that comes from blending Australian and heritage cultures through food, traditions, and community. Her journey from exclusion to empowerment illustrates how authentic self-expression can emerge from embracing multiplicity rather than conformity to a single narrative.

00:00 Journey of Migration and Childhood Memories

06:05 Navigating School Life as a Minority

12:00 The Impact of Cultural Questions

17:56 Experiences of Sexism in Medicine

25:54 Balancing Motherhood and Career

33:54 The Strength of Women in Dual Roles

38:13 The Journey of a Woman in Medicine

39:54 Writing a Memoir: A Personal Reflection

42:11 The Emotional Toll of Medicine

47:55 Cultural Identity and Migration

52:29 Finding Belonging in a Multicultural Society

56:06 The Power of Authenticity and Advocacy

Resources mentioned:

Brown. Female. Doctor. By Sarah Arachchi (available on Amazon)

Looking for Alibrandi, by Melina Marchetta

Where is the Green Sheep? by Mem Fox

Connect with Sarah:

Instagram: @kidsdoctorsarah

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In this episode, host Emma Bellamy-Dodd sits down with cultural psychologist Deborah Ko for an eye-opening conversation on identity, belonging, and adaptation across cultures. Deborah shares her personal experiences growing up at the intersection of American and Hong Kong backgrounds, and reveals how cultural psychology became a lens for understanding her multiple selves. The discussion explores the discomfort of duality and dialecticism, Western versus Eastern notions of selfhood, and the fluid meaning of authenticity for those living between cultures. They unpack leadership and workplace dynamics, examining how the “ideal leader” looks like across cultures and how multicultural teams navigate these hidden norms. Deborah offers insights on communication, self-presentation, and adapting to professional norms abroad. The conversation also tackles how AI risks ironing out our individual quirks and cultural nuances, highlighting the critical importance of intentional engagement with technology. Memorable reflections on home, third-culture kids, and embracing complexity round out this compelling exploration of life in the in-between.

Chapters

00:00 Cultural Psychology: An Introduction

02:30 Growing Up Between Cultures

06:17 Understanding Identity Across Cultures

11:31 The Interdependent vs. Independent Self

16:32 Self-Presentation and Cultural Expectations

22:52 Leadership and Cultural Biases

28:16 Cultural Morality: What’s Right or Wrong Across Contexts

33:33 Communication Styles and Cultural Norms

40:14 Emotional Expression Across Cultures

45:59 Honesty vs. Kindness in Communication

51:17 The Impact of AI on Authenticity

57:05 Cultural Nuances in AI Communication

01:05:40 The Role of Critical Thinking in the Age of AI

01:13:28 Cultural Identity and the Migrant Experience

01:19:50 Closing Reflections

Resources mentioned:

“Geography of Thought” by Richard Nisbett

“The Culture Map” by Erin Meyer

“On Earth We’re Briefly Gorgeous” by Ocean Vuong

“Crying in H Mart” by Michelle Zauner

Connect with Deborah:

LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/deborahko/

Medium: https://psykobabble.medium.com/

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