If you’ve been longing for a more humane, hope-filled way to lead—this episode is for you. Dr. Nicole Massie Martin brings years of pastoral and executive wisdom to a deep conversation about what it means to lead from the soul, not the ego.

Alan and Nicole explore why so many leaders today feel spiritually empty, and how rediscovering the cross of Christ as a leadership model can bring healing—not just to individuals, but to teams, organizations, and communities.

🎯 Takeaways from this episode:

• The cost of leading without soul—and how to recover it

• Why redemptive leadership is possible, even in today’s world

• What cruciform leadership looks like in practice

• How to embrace stewardship over scale

• One practical step you can take today to lead with greater integrity

Whether you're leading in ministry, business, education, or at home, this episode offers hope that leadership can be redemptive, relational, and rooted in Jesus.

👤 About Dr. Nicole Massie Martin:
Dr. Nicole Massie Martin is the Chief Operating Officer at Christianity Today, the founder of Soulfire International Ministries, and an executive director at American Bible Society. She is a nationally recognized speaker and the author of Made to Lead and Nailing It: Seven Practices for Surrendered Leadership. Nicole holds degrees from Vanderbilt University, Princeton Theological Seminary, and Gordon-Conwell Theological Seminary. She is passionate about equipping leaders to bring both soul and strategy to their influence.

🌐 Connect with Nicole:

• Website: https://nicolemassiemartin.com

• Instagram: @nicolemassiemartin

• Twitter/X: @RevDrNicole

• Book: Nailing It available now wherever books are sold.

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