Aaron and Max turn towards contemplativeness as they look back on the previous 9 episodes and giving miniature reviews of what the other had talked about. The episode the wraps up with a report on their own creative endeavors as of late, namely podcast editing, poem writing, wood working and peridot finding.

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Max finally proves that he is capable of reading a whole book. Specifically, the book This Thing Between Us by Gus Moreno. This book explores the haunting nature of grief and loss and, in the spirit of such ideas, Max interviews Aaron about the passing of his dad 25 years ago.

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Poetry and punk collides as Aaron articulates his thoughts on Billy Bragg's 1987 album Back to Basics, the long, rich history of protest music, and how early Billy Bragg just really wanted a girlfriend.

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Breaking the tradition of how Max usually hears about music (that is to say late), he discusses the 2018 Twenty One Pilots album Trench, the world incased within it's tracks, the strong use of symbolism, and somehow also Danny Elfman.

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On the subject of American poet Kenneth Fearing, Aaron discusses how modernist poetry evolved out of a World War and The Great Depression which created the perfect environment for Fearing's cynical and anti-consumerist poetry. Aaron also drops some hate on post modernist poetry.

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While discussing the 2017 SOPHIE album, Oil of Every Pearl's Un-Insides - an album well deserving of focused discussion - Max and Aaron also manage to talk about Rick Rubin, grilled cheese, Miracle Whip, modular synthesizers, and whether or not they were ever bullied.

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Aaron talks about the 1986 film True Stories, written and directed by David Byrne of Talking Heads fame, while also diving into the significant impact David Byrne played in his adolescence when Aaron first saw David described as a Renaissance Man.

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While stretching the confines of what counts as arts and culture, Max goes into depth about Neopets, The Darkest Faerie and the magic that was/is the Play Station 2.

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