Let’s be honest: we’re not built for middle management.

In this episode, Sarah and Michele get real (and a little unhinged) about the deep joy of working for ourselves in our 50s—and why we’re never going back. From throwing in a load of laundry between client calls to…uh…passing gas in peace (Michele), this is a love letter to freedom, flexibility, and unapologetic comfort.

We talk about:

• The moment we knew we couldn’t have a boss ever again
• Why saying “I’ll circle back” makes our souls wilt
• The power of working in stretchy pants, with snacks
• How entrepreneurship lets you design a life that fits your rhythm—not your old commute
• Michele’s now-infamous elevator story ("Is everything alright in there, ma'am?")

This one’s part hilarious, part permission slip: If you’ve ever thought “I just want to do my own thing and not answer to anyone,” — welcome.

You’re not crazy. You’re just built (like us) for freedom.

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Sarah Walton -
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Michele Wang-
YT Channel - https://www.youtube.com/@themichelewang
Website - https://www.themichelewang.com
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