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  • Episode 49: The ABP’s first quarter century – looking back and looking forward, with Pauline Grant, Claire Lish and Steve Whiddett
    Nov 4 2025
    This special episode of the Psychology of Work Podcast marks the 25th anniversary of the ABP, and in it we hear from three distinguished ABP members who have each served as Chair or Vice Chair at different points in the organisation’s history. In discussion with Rob Feltham, they reflect on what the ABP has achieved during its first quarter of century and share their aspirations for the ABP’s future. Pauline Grant played a key role in the inception of the ABP and became its first Vice Chair. Steve Whiddett served as Chair for four years from 2009. And Claire Lish is the ABP’s current Chair. When founded in 2020, the ABP became a new professional home and voice for Business Psychology, and over the subsequent 25 years the organisation has been instrumental in increasing public awareness and recognition of the profession. The ABP has developed a distinctive ethos with its focus on: working shoulder-to-shoulder with clients to achieve practical evidence-based solutions; guardianship and growth of the Business Psychology profession; and emphasis on training and education to ensure that Business Psychology becomes steadily more mainstream and integral to the business agenda. In 2009 the Health & Care Professionals Council (HCPC) was given statutory responsibility for regulating practitioner psychologists, and this was a critical juncture for the ABP. Given the HCPC’s orientation towards healthcare, it was seen by many as lacking relevance and fit for the Business Psychology profession. The ABP was proactive and successful in establishing a separate identity and path for Business Psychology, subsequently reinforcing this with training and accreditation open to those entering the profession by non-traditional as well as traditional routes. Key trends and changes in Business Psychology over the ABP's first quarter century have included: growing internationalisation and industry consolation, bringing far greater focus on global partnership and appreciation of diverse perspectives; and much greater emphasis on the organisational and social context for individual behaviour. Whilst much has been achieved by the ABP over 25 years, there is some way to go to ensure that Business Psychology becomes a non-negotiable component of the organisational and business agenda. The podcast guests Pauline Grant Pauline Grant was awarded Honorary Membership of the ABP in recognition of her pivotal role in the organisation’s founding and her enduring contribution to the profession. As the ABP’s founding Vice Chair, Pauline helped to shape the direction and values of the Association, serving in that role for four formative years. A trusted advisor to C-suite leaders across the globe, Pauline brought authenticity, insight, and unwavering commitment to the application of psychology in improving working lives. Her influence has helped to embed business psychology at the heart of strategic leadership and organisational development. A Chartered Psychologist and former Director at the boutique consultancy YSC, Pauline’s career has spanned high-level consulting, leadership coaching, and talent development. She is known for her humility, intellectual clarity, and sincere focus on helping individuals thrive. She authored Careering Upwards in 2001 and edited two of the ABP’s flagship publications – Business Psychology in Practice and Business Psychology in Action – bringing together case studies and practical insights from across the profession. Even in retirement, Pauline continues to support the development of others through pro bono work and community contribution. She has supported The ABP Workforce Experience Awards as a Judge, demonstrating her continued investment in the Association’s growth and influence. Pauline’s Honorary Membership celebrates not just her professional achievements but her generous spirit, steadfast dedication, and lasting impact on the evolution of business psychology. Steve Whiddett Steve Whiddett was awarded Honorary Membership of The ABP in recognition of his outstanding service to the profession and his pivotal role in shaping the Association. A Chartered Psychologist, consultant, and author, Steve has been a leading voice in applying psychology to organisational performance, change, and leadership. As founder of WHE-UK, he championed ethical, human-centred change, and his published works, including The CIPD Competencies Handbook (1999, with Sarah Hollyforde) and A Practical Guide to Competencies (2003), have become standard references in the field. Representing the ABP, he also contributed to the BPS Division of Occupational Psychology’s Professional Guidelines for Assessment Centres (2015). Steve served as Chair of the ABP from 2009 to 2013, a period of transformation in which the Association refined its purpose, values, and governance, introduced professional management services, and laid the foundations for long-term stability. He was instrumental ...
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    53 min
  • Episode 48: Conversation that generates positive change – Sarah Rozenthuler discusses her latest book Now We’re Talking
    Aug 14 2025
    Authentic dialogue is a rare thing within many businesses and organisations and, in discussion with Rob Feltham, Sarah Rozenthuler outlines some of the practical ways in which leaders can address this gap and reap the benefits in terms of creativity, flow and ‘thinking together’. Topics covered in this podcast include: psychological safety which is a necessary but not sufficient condition for authentic dialogue; the Container, which is the physical and psychological environment that energises and creates a sense of possibility; and the negative impacts of social media and how to address them. There is also discussion of some the pioneers in the field of communication and dialogue, including Bill Isaacs and Marshall Rosenberg.

    Sarah Rozenthuler is a chartered psychologist (coaching and occupational) and published author. With over 20 years of experience working globally at senior levels in large, complex organizations as well as start-ups and SMEs, Sarah brings extensive expertise in executive coaching, group facilitation, and consulting. Clients have trusted Sarah for over two decades to coach senior leaders to improve their communication skills, optimise their stakeholder management and deepen their executive presence.

    In 2007, Sarah founded Bridgework Consulting Ltd, a renowned consultancy firm dedicated to empowering leaders, teams, and organisations to achieve greatness. She is also a valued member of the faculty at Saïd Business School, University of Oxford where she teaches on their flagship programmes. As an accomplished author, Sarah has penned several impactful books, including:

    • Now We’re Talking: How to Discuss What Really Matters (2024)
    • Powered by Purpose: Energise Your People to do Great Work (2020)
    • How to have Meaningful Conversations: Seven Strategies for Talking about What Matters Most (2012)

    Rob Feltham is Podcast Editor of The ABP.
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    32 min
  • Episode 47: The genie is out of the bottle – Business Psychology in the age of AI, with Alan Bourne, Dexter Winters and Kate Young
    Jul 19 2025
    In an engaging discussion hosted by Rob Feltham, three eminent business psychologists working at the frontiers of AI share their perspectives on how the profession can remain impactful and relevant in a world of work rapidly being transformed. The conversation starts with a macro view of AI at work, and the role of psychologists in helping organisations design and implement their AI strategies. Then the discussion moves on to look specifically at the reshaped world of psychometric assessment.

    Issues discussed include: the far reaching disruptive effects of generative AI and how well organisations are adapting; the future of competency and capability models; reenvisioning entry level roles; augmentation versus replacement of human job roles; AI as a potential game-changer for equality and diversity/neurodiversity; the AI empowered job candidate; validity and integrity of the assessment process; and the ABP’s current initiative to develop AI guidance for the profession.

    Alan Bourne is a Partner at Ommati and leads their talent consulting, research and advisory services.

    Dexter Winters is a Partner at The Thinkstitute, leading AI Business Transformation by putting people at the heart of adoption through leadership, culture, and capability.

    Kate Young is head of people science at Sapia.ai. Sappia is an AI hiring agent.

    Rob Feltham is Podcast Editor for the ABP.
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    1 h et 5 min
  • Episoge 46: A conversation with Dr Mike Rugg-Gunn, author of Managing Talent, A Short Guide for the Digital Age
    May 15 2025
    In discussion with Rob Feltham, Mike shares thought-provoking perspectives on a range of talent topics including: real-time performance management; neuroscience in psychometric assessment; the ever-increasing importance of the freelance workforce as a central element of the talent pool; generational stereotypes (Gen Y, Gen Z etc); and the urgent need for the UK to become world class in digital skills training. Other issues discussed include the relevance of Business Psychology in the age of AI and digital transformation, and the impact of the current US presidential regime on DEI initiatives.

    Mike is a chartered occupational psychologist and has worked for the past 25 years as a consultant in talent management with a particular focus on assessment for senior level roles, especially for private equity clients. Prior to qualifying in psychology, Mike had a career in Bass plc, and later worked for the Defence Evaluation and Research Agency (forerunner to QinetiQ) as a government scientist researching topics for the UK armed forces, during which time he started his doctorate researching ways of evaluating computer-based training techniques in the submarine service. Subsequently Mike worked for several consultancies and executive search businesses where he set up three assessment practices, before running his own consultancy www.kildonanconsulting.com in talent management with a particular focus on senior leader assessment. He is now semi-retired.

    Mike is a frequent conference speaker and has authored many papers on Human Resource issues - several which can be found in open access on the internet. A full list is available on request.

    About the book: Rugg-Gunn, M. (2024), Managing Talent: A Short Guide for the Digital Age, Routledge.

    Rob Feltham is Podcast Editor of The ABP
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    38 min
  • Episode 45: Can leaders catch themselves in flight? A conversation with Ross McIntosh about Acceptance and Commitment Therapy (ACT)
    Mar 26 2025
    In discussion with Rob Feltham, Ross McIntosh provides a fascinating overview of the ACT framework and how it can help leaders to build psychological flexibility, in part by managing the interactions between their ‘inner voices’ and the ways that they show up at work. Topics covered include: building self awareness with the help of the Micro Pause and Macro Pause; managing transitions between leadership situations; and values-driven authentic leadership.

    Ross is a business psychologist and coach who uses evidence-based psychology in all areas of his freelance career. At City St George’s, University of London, he works alongside Dr Paul Flaxman in an academic/practitioner partnership. They design and deliver ACT Workplace Training for both the public and private sector. Ross also lectures in organisational psychology at City St George’s and Birkbeck, University of London.

    Ten years ago, Ross founded his consulting business which aims to cultivate well-being, adaptability, authentic action and awareness in organisations. He has designed and delivered evidence-based training to over 23 NHS Trusts, HM Treasury & Civil Service, Nectar Loyalty, teachers, a global tech company, a big four consultancy, Diageo, hedge fund managers and a variety of ballet companies including Rambert, Scottish Ballet, Northern Ballet and The Royal Ballet.

    In a bid to reach more adults with the behavioural science from ACT and beyond, the People Soup Podcast was born in 2018. It’s won awards, has a global reach and in the global ranking is one of the top 2.5% most popular podcasts (in a field of around 3.5 million!) Prior to his portfolio career, Ross spent over 20 years in Senior HR roles in Government. He is a Fellow of the Chartered Institute for Personnel and Development (CIPD), a Fellow of the Royal Society of Arts (FRSA) and a Fellow of the Association for Coaching.

    Ross's website can be found at: https://rossmcintosh.co.uk/

    Rob Feltham is podcast editor of the ABP.
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    39 min
  • Episode 44: You can forget your past but it won’t forget you – Nik Kinley discusses his latest book.
    Dec 11 2024
    Nik Kinley is a business psychologist and successful author with over 30 years’ experience specialising in assessing leaders, changing people’s behaviour and evolving organisational cultures. In an engaging discussion with Rob Feltham, Nik talks about his latest book, co-authored with Shlomo Ben-Hur, entitled Re-writing your Leadership Code: How your childhood made you the leader you are, and what you can do about it. Nik shows how our past experiences create instincts and tendencies that we are often unaware of, but that tend to come out when we’re under pressure and can fundamentally affect how we operate as leaders, both in a good way and in a bad way. Leaders who understand their instinctive responses to pressurised situations have the opportunity to manage those situations better. In the discussion Nik also touches on the relevance of this type of analysis in the leadership assessment context. He also talks about the interaction of personality and power, and describes how positions of power amplify what people ‘bring with them’.

    Nik’s varied career background includes commercial roles, senior corporate HR positions (with BP and with Barclays) and consulting roles - with YSC and with Accenture - as well as over a decade working in prisons as a forensic psychotherapist. He has thus worked with royalty, CEOs, murderers, politicians and children. During his time as a consultant, he has assessed over 1,000 senior executives from across the world. And as a coach, he has worked with Boards, CEOs and executive teams across industries and regions. He has written a series of books on leadership, change and talent management, published award-winning papers in academic journals, and is a regular lecturer at some of the world’s most prestigious business schools.

    Rob Feltham is Podcast Editor of The ABP.
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    37 min
  • Episode 43: The wonderful thing about diversity – Philip Wilson discusses the transformation undergone by Civil Service Fast Stream
    Nov 8 2024
    In discussion with Rob Feltham, Philip Wilson, brings to life his remarkable journey as Chief Psychologist for UK Civil Service Fast Stream and Emerging Talent. He has led the design of the Fast Stream assessment process, along with the diversity and inclusion strategy and leadership curriculum. The diversity profile of the intake has been transformed in recent years, and Phil provides fascinating insights into the drivers for change and strategies deployed in response. A focus on recruitment from lower social economic backgrounds has had substantial ‘cross-sectional’ impact on other areas of diversity. Recruitment from STEM backgrounds has also been a major focus, in line with the demands of the modern civil service. More generally, Phil shares his positive view of the achievements of Business Psychologists in the D&I space, and his optimism about their future contribution.

    While at Fast Stream, Phil has overseen the multi-award-winning Summer Diversity Internship Programme, Early Diversity Internship Programme, Autism Exchange Internship Programme and other positive action and outreach activities. Prior to his current role he was Head of Occupational Psychology at the London Fire Brigade, as well as Acting Head of Occupational Psychology for Greater Manchester Police, and he has operated as a consultant for a range of industries.

    Phil has presented at numerous professional conferences & seminars, sits on a variety of advisory boards, and has chaired national committees.

    Rob Feltham is Podcast Editor of the ABP.
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    38 min
  • Episode 42: Vision and values are not enough – A conversation with David Sharpley, author of Leadership Principles and Purpose
    Jun 23 2024
    David Sharpley is a leadership development expert and experienced organisational psychologist. In an absorbing discussion with Rob Feltham, David draws on his own extensive experience and research, and shares valuable insights into what distinguishes healthy organisations from unhealthy and self-destructive ones, examples of the latter being UK Post Office and RBS. David is critical of widely shared assumptions about what successful leadership and successful business looks like. He takes aim, for example, at simplistic notions of charismatic and transformational leadership, and challenges primitive theories of motivation. David draws particular attention to the role of Superordinate Principles as the foundation for effective leadership and in enabling organisational alignment and consistent high quality execution.

    David has a considerable track-record in the design and implementation of senior management/leadership development, and in support of this he has developed the Pario online resources, which include surveys, 360 feedback, and work-preference profiling. His experience includes collaboration with JCS Investments in Ghana, facilitating new business and developing capability. Significant UK initiatives include work with BT, the financial sector, FTSE 250 companies, the NHS, and leading charities. David has also run Master-Class workshops on Competency Profiling & Assessment in Kuala Lumpur, Singapore, and Bangkok. His lecturing experience at Warwick University (WMG) has explored issues relating to Organizations, People, and Performance.

    Call for Collaboration: David is currently piloting a new tool called the Team Index. It is a ‘180 degree feedback’ (or survey) tool for managers/team leaders and people in the team. David has undertaken initial validation, is developing it further, and is keen to partner with organisations interested in future-focused development. The tool supports leadership development, highlighting key factors that impact on peoples’ motivation and commitment. David welcomes discussion with business psychologists and others who would like to access the questionnaires and reports.

    About the book:

    Sharpley, D. (2024), Leadership Principles and Purpose: Developing Leadership Effectiveness and Future-Focused Capability, Routledge. (20% discount code SMA22 on Routledge site to 31/07/24)

    https://www.routledge.com/Leadership-Principles-and-Purpose-Developing-Leadership-Effectiveness-and-Future-Focused-Capability/Sharpley/p/book/9781032575063

    Rob Feltham is Podcast Editor of The ABP.
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    53 min