After seven years and nearly 300 episodes, Tawny and Lisa are saying goodbye to Recovery Rocks. But they’re not going anywhere! Lisa will still be in this podcast feed with a new show, Sober Living, along with OG recovery queen Anna David. And Tawny will be everywhere with her non-al spirit, (parentheses), writing classes and coaching, and a new book in the works! They look back on the show and look forward into the future.

Music Minute features RuPaul’s Drag Race and The Beatles

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Tawny and Lisa interview Jill Sirianni, co-host of the podcast Frugal Friends, which aims to change how we think about frugality. It does not mean being cheap. Frugal living intersects with minimalism, simple living and sustainability. Many of us have financial stress, often left over from when we abused substances. They talk about how practicing curiosity around finances can help identify priorities in developing a plan.

Music Minute features Thrice.

Check out Frugal Friends podcast website, which also offers a newsletter and free tools.

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Tawny and Lisa talk to Art Alexakis, frontman for Everclear, one of the defining bands of the 1990s, still going strong. Art has almost 35 years of recovery, living very much one day at a time. They talk about recovery and Art’s writing process, including the iconic song, “Father of Mine.” They also discuss what it takes to know when you’re done with drugs and alcohol, to ask for help, and to live in humility and gratitude.

Music Minute features Everclear and The Beatles

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Tawny and Lisa talk about Tawny’s recent Beyond Liquid Courage newsletter, "People Pleasing is Over." She learned through years of recovery and therapy that her people-pleasing is tied to her codependency. Lisa learned in early recovery that if she didn’t stop always trying to please others, she wasn’t going to be able to stay sober. People pleasing is more nuanced than just doing something for a loved one because you want to. It’s about doing something for someone else because you fear disappointing them at the risk of your own mental and physical health. Oh, an apparently Anne Hathaway’s done with people pleasing, too!

Music Minute features Ricky Nelson and Jay-Z with Linkin Park.

Check out the Anne Hathaway's interview with The New York Times.

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Tawny and Lisa talk about addiction as a family disease. Whether it’s with your birth family or your chosen family (or both!), healing individually and as unit can break cycles of addiction and unhealthy behaviors. They both talk about their experiences with their families and how it’s an imperfect journey that never really ends.

Music Minute features Sister Sledge, Everclear, The Killers and Billie Eilish.

Find support at Al-Anon and Co-Dependents Anonymous.

Tawny recommends these books on boundaries and codependency: The Origins of You, Set Boundaries, Find Peace, The Book of Boundaries

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Tawny and Lisa talk with Ted Mandell, Associate Teaching Professor at the University of Notre Dame’s Department of Film, Television, and Theatre. Tawny has been a guest speaker for Ted’s class, “Drunk on Film: The Psychology of Storytelling with Alcohol and its Effects on Alcohol Consumption.” They talk about the reasons kids drink more when they get to college, the persistence of the excessive drinking culture, and ways to reframe how students think about alcohol.

Music Minute features a one-week course Ted taught with Rock n Roll Hall of Fame inductee Todd Rundgren.

Check out the PBS Newshour feature about “Drunk on Film.”

Check out the Drunk on Film website

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Tawny and Lisa talk with Hilary Sheinbaum about her new workbook, GOING DRY: A Practical Guide to Drinking Less and Living More. The workbook takes readers through all phases of a sober or sober-curious journey, ranging from assessing your relationship with drinking to setting realistic expectations to discovering new experiences that bring you joy without booze.

Music Minute features Sabrina Carpenter, Taylor Swift, and Flow State on Substack

Get GOING DRY: A Practical Guide to Drinking Less and Living More

Get The Dry Challenge: How to Lose the Booze for Dry January, Sober October, and Any Other Alcohol-Free Month

Check out Hilary’s TED Talk, Dry Dating: Why and How

Check out Hilary’s GoingDry.co event series.

Find Hilary on IG: @hilarywritesny and @goingdry.co

More on socials: #goingdrybook

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Tawny and Lisa talk with Lindsay Sutherland Boal, a coach, advocate, and the founder of both The Uncovery App and She Walks Canada, which support women overcoming problematic relationships with alcohol. They chat about gray-area drinking and the concept of “rock enough,” the acknowledgement that you don’t need a “rock bottom” crisis to quit drinking. The Uncovery App is dedicated to the pursuit of alcohol-free living through self-investigation and support. She Walks Canada organizes walks around the world to support recovery and foster community.

Music Minute features Lindsay’s opera career and tropical lounge music.

Check out The Uncovery App

Learn about She Walks Canada

On Instagram: @theuncoveryapp and @shewalkscanada

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