Guests:

• Ashli Carnicelli – Writer, singer, and passionate believer in the Divine Feminine

• Trina Caudle – Editor, historian, scoutmaster, and macro-photographer

• McArthur Krishna – Author, artist, and advocate for spiritual wholeness

Topics Covered:

• Ashli’s Catholic upbringing and connection to Mary, the mother of Jesus

• McArthur’s years in India and insights into Hindu goddesses and the Divine Feminine

• Trina’s interfaith experience as a scoutmaster in Methodist and Presbyterian spaces

• Tangible stories of connection with Heavenly Mother

• How Mother in Heaven: A Gospel Topics Essay Study Guide came to life

• Advice for those just beginning to explore their relationship with Heavenly Mother

Resources Mentioned:

• 📘 Mother in Heaven: A Gospel Topics Essay Study Guide – Order on Amazon

• 📝 Gospel Topics Essay: Mother in Heaven – Read it here

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In Part Two, we continue our conversation with Casey McFarland co-host of Pioneering Paradox. This time, we explore:

• Casey’s experience attending 50+ churches with his wife and kids

• What interfaith experiences taught him about faith and empathy

• The power of curiosity in healing spiritual and cultural divides

• Why he believes God “has no favorites”

• Reflections on sacred texts like the Bhagavad Gita and the Qur’an

• His upcoming Italy tours and Superstition Tour with Patrick Mason

• His role on our new That’s Church nonprofit board as Executive Research Board Member

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• Travel Tours & Updates: www.iamcasey.com/travel

In this episode, we sit down with Casey McFarland, co-host along with Wil Wood of Pioneering Paradox and the voice behind one of Instagram’s most thoughtful spaces for conflicted Latter-day Saints. We discuss:

• How to talk to teens about Church history and faith struggles

• What it means to be honest without oversharing

• Casey’s own break from religion and what he learned visiting over 50 churches

• Building bridges between nuanced and orthodox members

• Casey’s Italy tours and upcoming Superstition Tour with Patrick Mason

Big news: That’s Church is now an official nonprofit! And Casey has joined our board as Executive Research Board Member. Stay tuned, we’ve got exciting things ahead.

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