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The podcast world has been turned upside down as Jennifer takes the helm from Jeremy in this transitional episode that quickly moves from lighthearted banter about podcast ownership to profound reflection on national tragedy. After Jeremy explains his decision to hand over the microphone after 50 episodes, the conversation shifts to the shocking assassination of Charlie Kirk that occurred just hours after their previous recording.

Jennifer and Jeremy share their raw, unfiltered reactions to witnessing the news unfold in real-time - from initial reports to the devastating realization of Kirk's death. This leads to a thoughtful exploration of parasocial relationships and why we feel genuine grief for public figures we've never personally met. Jennifer vulnerably shares her connection to Kirk's content and the strange grief that comes from losing someone who felt like family despite never having met.

The pair navigate challenging territory as they discuss the politically polarized responses to the tragedy, media coverage concerns, and the search for truth amid competing narratives. Rather than settling for easy answers, they wrestle with how to process collective grief in a divided nation while honoring the deceased. Jeremy offers the powerful suggestion to "lean into tenderness rather than bitterness" as a pathway through national trauma.

What emerges is a timely conversation about finding beauty amid tragedy, how significant events become generational touchstones, and the possibility of meaningful revival following devastating loss. Their willingness to engage with difficult emotions while maintaining respectful dialogue models how we might process our own reactions to public tragedies.

The episode concludes with practical plans for the podcast's future, including guest appearances and a call for listener topic suggestions. Join Jennifer and Jeremy as they demonstrate that even the most painful national moments can become opportunities for authentic connection and meaningful conversation.

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What happens when success becomes the very thing threatening your wellbeing? In this pivotal episode, we witness a profound moment of vulnerability as Drew shares his decision to step away from the podcast, revealing how his recovery journey has illuminated the unsustainable pace of his life. "At the soul level, I can't maintain this," he explains, offering listeners rare insight into the counterintuitive challenge of saying no to good things—even profitable opportunities—for the sake of spiritual and emotional health.

The conversation expands into a thoughtful exploration of peace, with Jeremy offering a perspective-shifting definition: "Shalom isn't slowness. Shalom is being convinced that everything's going to be okay." This distinction frees us from equating peace with circumstance and instead roots it in a deeper confidence about life's ultimate direction. Drawing from Enneagram wisdom, the hosts share practical approaches to finding balance based on personality type, including the powerful metaphor of rising in a "hot air balloon" to gain perspective before making important decisions.

But the episode takes an unexpected turn when Jeremy announces he's handing the podcast reins to Jennifer, creating a dramatic moment of transition that mirrors the very themes of change, adaptation, and new beginnings discussed throughout. This authentic, unscripted moment captures the essence of what makes this podcast special—the willingness to evolve, embrace change, and model the vulnerability they encourage in their listeners.

Whether you're wrestling with work-life balance, recovering from burnout, or simply questioning if your success is coming at too high a personal cost, this conversation offers both comfort and challenge. How might your life change if you had the courage to step back from something good to make room for something essential? Listen in and consider what sustainable rhythms might look like in your own journey.

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Without their anchor Drew, Jeremy and Jennifer dive into uncharted waters, steering a conversation that feels surprisingly intimate and revealing. What begins as a search for a new podcast name evolves into a profound exploration of life's seasons and transitions.

Jeremy shares a powerful metaphor that's been transforming his counseling practice - viewing life as a four-act play. The warrior phase (birth to 25) establishes our origin story. The king/queen phase (25-50) finds us building and maintaining our kingdoms while often feeling the weight of responsibility. The lover phase (50-75) brings the harvest of experience coupled with wisdom. And for those fortunate enough to reach it, the sage phase (75+) offers a sweet winter where others come to you for guidance.

The conversation weaves between deeply philosophical insights and hilariously candid moments. Jennifer and Jeremy reminisce about their turbulent "Act Two" marked by Jeremy's MS diagnosis and the challenges of raising young children. They debate which characters from "The Summer I Turned Pretty" need the most counseling, share a recent pregnancy scare that led to serious contraception discussions, and recall the chaotic early days of parenthood when baby Hutch peed into an electrical socket during his first diaper change.

Through laughter and occasional vulnerability, they demonstrate how relationships evolve across life's acts - from the passionate warriors they were when they married too young to the exhausted administrators of middle life, and now as they glimpse the approaching autumn phase with both apprehension and curiosity.

For anyone feeling stuck between life stages or wondering if their exhaustion is normal, this episode offers both validation and perspective. Which act are you in, and how's the transition going? Join the conversation and share your thoughts on our new podcast name options!