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The Recruiting Book Club

The Recruiting Book Club

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 Welcome to The Recruiting Book Club Podcast! In this series, we sit down with the authors behind the best books on recruiting and talent acquisition. From expert insights to behind-the-scenes stories, each episode is packed with fun conversations that will help you sharpen your TA leadership skills. Whether you’re in the recruiting world or just love a good conversation, join us for a fresh and lively take on all things talent!All rights reserved by WRKdefined Art Gestion et leadership Économie
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  • Equity Edge: Jenn Tardy on Building Workplaces Where Everyone Belongs

    Equity Edge: Jenn Tardy on Building Workplaces Where Everyone Belongs
    Aug 12 2025
    In this episode of The Recruiting Book Club, host Carmen Hudson is joined by author, entrepreneur, and equity strategist Jenn Tardy for a conversation that’s part history lesson, part recruiting masterclass, and part call to action. As CEO of Jennifer Tardy Consulting and co-owner of PWP Health, Jenn has spent her career dismantling the barriers that keep workplaces from being truly inclusive - whether in corporate recruiting or community-based mental health. Her new book, The Equity Edge, is a blueprint for leaders ready to move beyond good intentions and start creating measurable change in hiring, retention, and representation. From her early days as a recruiter to leading TA teams across industries, Jenn has seen the same patterns repeat: hiring systems that work exactly as designed - to exclude - and recruiters who underestimate their power to change them. In this discussion, she makes the case for why equity must be baked into the foundation of every workplace, not bolted on as an afterthought. Highlights from the conversation: The Language Shift We Need – Why no individual is “diverse,” and how reframing language changes who takes responsibility for inclusion. The Hiring Process Isn’t Broken – It was built to keep some people out. Jenn explains how to re-engineer it to open doors without causing harm. Equity Over Inclusion Alone – Inclusion without equity forces employees to adapt to systems never designed for them. Recruiters as Advisers, Not Order-Takers – How to push back on “not a fit” feedback and tie every qualification to the actual work. Unconventional Sourcing That Works – From mega churches to college DEI offices, Jenn shares strategies that expand your talent pool if you commit beyond a one-time try. Proof of Inclusion – The checklist every employer should use to assess whether their actions and public signals tell candidates they belong. The Tax of Being Different – How underrepresented employees calculate the personal cost of working in non-inclusive environments - and why employers should pay attention. Jenn leads with clarity and warmth, pairing deep historical context with practical tools leaders can use today. The Equity Edge isn’t just a book - it’s a strategy for building systems that welcome, value, and elevate every voice. Follow Carmen Hudson on LinkedIn or visit www.carmenhudson.com Connect with Jenn Tardy on LinkedIn or visit https://www.jennifertardy.com/ Get your copy of The Equity Edge - a must-read for recruiters, HR leaders, and executives ready to turn equity from a talking point into a measurable reality. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
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    48 min
  • Candidate Experience: Kevin Grossman on Treating Every Applicant Like a Brand Touchpoint

    Candidate Experience: Kevin Grossman on Treating Every Applicant Like a Brand Touchpoint
    Jul 1 2025
    In this episode of The Recruiting Book Club, host Carmen Hudson sits down with Kevin Grossman, longtime TA strategist and co-author of Candidate Experience, for an unfiltered exploration of what it really means to respect every applicant - even the ones who don't get the job. From faxes in the ‘90s to AI-assisted screening today, Kevin walks through the messy evolution of candidate experience and how it became the biggest unsolved issue in modern recruiting. Key themes discussed include: Candidate Experience Starts Before You Hire: Kevin argues the experience begins the moment a candidate becomes aware of your brand - not when they hit "apply." Recruiters who get this wrong erode both their pipeline and their company’s reputation. Rejection ≠ Neglect: Most applicants will hear “no.” Kevin explains why timely, clear, and empathetic rejections are critical - not for closure, but for retention, referrals, and brand advocacy. Stop Ghosting Your Pipeline: Ghosting candidates after outreach? According to Kevin, that’s the fastest way to lose trust - and future applicants. He breaks down how TA teams can avoid the “black hole” effect by systematizing communication. Internal Candidates Are Candidates Too: Kevin shares how high-performing companies actively re-recruit internal talent to drive retention, mobility, and loyalty - without sacrificing fairness in the hiring process. Coupons and Career Tips: Unexpected Differentiators: From Kimberly-Clark’s revenue-generating coupon initiative to Northwell Health’s job-seeker training content, Kevin highlights the small moves that separate candidate-centric employers from everyone else. Candidate Resentment Is Real - and Growing: Carmen and Kevin reflect on years of data from The CandEs to explain why candidate resentment keeps rising, and what TA leaders must do before it tanks employer brand and application volume. Why Most Recruiters Aren’t Trained for This: The truth: many recruiters learn on the job with zero formal training in process, feedback, or interview coaching. Kevin offers blunt advice for TA leaders looking to upskill their teams without a massive budget. This episode is essential listening for anyone involved in hiring - from sourcers to HR execs. Kevin doesn’t just talk about candidate experience - he’s measured it, benchmarked it, and built systems to improve it. Because the question isn’t whether candidate experience matters. The question is how long your company can afford to ignore it. Follow Carmen Hudson on LinkedIn or visit www.carmenhudson.com Connect with Kevin Grossman on LinkedIn Get your copy of Candidate Experience – the essential playbook for HR and TA leaders ready to turn every applicant interaction into a strategic advantage and prove hiring impact with data that executives can't ignore. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
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    57 min
  • Talent Intelligence: Toby Culshaw on Embedding HR in Business Decisions Through Data That Actually Matters

    Talent Intelligence: Toby Culshaw on Embedding HR in Business Decisions Through Data That Actually Matters
    Jun 24 2025
    In this episode of The Recruiting Book Club, host Carmen Hudson welcomes Toby Culshaw, author of Talent Intelligence: Use Business and People Data to Drive Organizational Performance. A veteran of Amazon, SAP, and Philips, Toby joins Carmen for a sweeping, no-nonsense look at how labor market data is reshaping business decisions - whether companies are ready for it or not. This isn’t a chat about dashboards and buzzwords. It’s a grounded, layered conversation on how talent intelligence is already influencing everything from site selection to M&A - and why most TA teams are already doing parts of this work without realizing it. Key themes discussed include: Talent Intelligence ≠ People Analytics: Toby explains the difference between capital-TI (external labor market data) and lowercase-ti (internal people metrics) and why practitioners need to understand both - especially as these functions begin to merge. Stop Taking “Nice-to-Have” Projects: With most TI teams under five people, Toby argues for clear barriers to entry. If it doesn’t drive measurable business impact, it’s not worth doing. Why Small Companies Need TI More Than Enterprises: Mistakes in site selection, compensation strategy, or talent messaging hit 200-person companies harder than they do the Fortune 500. Toby explains how TI is a survival tactic, not a luxury. The Power of Saying “We Told You So”: From advising against bad hiring locations to surfacing ignored market realities, Toby shares how real-world failures gave his team credibility—and influence. Data is Only Valuable If Shared: Carmen and Toby unpack how distribution, not just insight, determines value. Newsletters, internal branding, and “talent intelligence grenades” are all on the table. Automation, AI, and the Rising Baseline of Talent: As AI moves from vendor layers into CRMs and ATSs, Toby predicts a recalibration of what “entry-level” looks like and a renewed demand for consulting skills recruiters have forgotten. This episode is a must-listen for recruiters, HR strategists, and TA leaders wondering how to move beyond transactions and start driving strategy. As Carmen notes, recruiters may already be gathering this data - but Toby shows how to own it, scale it, and use it to shape the business before the business shapes you. Because talent intelligence isn’t the future of TA. It’s the present - and it’s expanding fast. Follow Carmen Hudson on LinkedIn or visit www.carmenhudson.com Connect with Toby Culshaw on LinkedIn Get your copy of Talent Intelligence – the definitive guide for HR and TA leaders ready to turn people data into business strategy and stop making talent decisions in the dark. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
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    54 min
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