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The walls separating churches often seem to rebuild faster than we can tear them down. Why is that? In this raw, unfiltered conversation, we dig into what keeps faith communities divided and how true servant leadership might be the answer.

Our guest Andrew Houltzhouser joins us as we explore how unity breaks down when church leaders prioritize status over service. "It's like we tear down a wall and within six months, the new wall has barbed wire on top," we observe. Most troubling? The barrier to togetherness often starts in the pulpit, not the pews.

We share personal stories about navigating relationships with people completely different from ourselves - from marriages between opposites to ministry partnerships that shouldn't work on paper but thrive in practice. The common thread? Humility. Leaders who vacuum floors, stack chairs, and mow lawns create cultures where everyone serves because they've witnessed authentic service from the top down.

The conversation takes a fascinating turn as we contrast formally educated ministers with those who learned by doing. While seminary provides valuable knowledge, we've observed that some of the most effective church leaders are those who "stacked chairs for years" before taking leadership positions - they understand service because they've lived it. This isn't about dismissing education but recognizing that credentials without humility create division rather than unity.

Perhaps most powerful is our examination of surface-level connections versus deep, sustained relationships. Churches often unite for conferences and special events but fail to maintain those connections afterward. As one of us puts it: "We're not walking together, we're walking the same way and every now and then bumping into each other."

Want to experience what true togetherness looks like in action? Join us for Together Conference 2025, where we're putting these principles into practice. In the meantime, how might your leadership approach change if you focused less on titles and more on towels?

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