Hosts:

Dr. Ashlee Gethner, LCSW – Child of a Police Officer

Jennifer Woosley Saylor, LPCC S – Child of a Police Officer

In this episode, Jennifer and Ashlee break down the basics of EMDR (Eye Movement Desensitization and Reprocessing) therapy and why it’s a powerful tool, particularly for first responders.

Myth-Busting Therapy: Ashlee and Jennifer tackle common misconceptions about therapy, especially among first responders, who may expect only “talking about feelings” or the classic “comfy couch” setup.

What is EMDR?: Explanation of EMDR, how it uses eye movements, tapping, and auditory cues to help the brain naturally process traumatic experiences.

Why EMDR is effective?: EMDR mimics REM sleep and helps reconnect mind and body after stress and trauma.

Why First Responders Like EMDR: Less talking, more structure, and a focus on physical reactions make it a good fit for those who may be hesitant about traditional therapy.

Real-World Therapist Perspective: Jennifer and Ashlee share firsthand experiences, the importance of finding a good fit in therapy, and reassurance that it’s normal to need different approaches.

Take Action: Consider researching EMDR from trusted sources. Check out our earlier episode (Brain Insights For High-Stress Lives!) with Dr. Coyt for a deeper look at how the brain processes stress.

Final Thoughts: Therapy isn’t one-size-fits-all. EMDR offers hope and healing, especially for those in high-stress jobs.

For questions or more info, reach out to the hosts, and remember: When the call hits home, Jennifer and Ashlee are here for you.

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Hosts:

Dr. Ashlee Gethner, LCSW – Child of a Police Officer

Jennifer Woosley Saylor, LPCC S – Child of a Police Officer

In this heartfelt and timely Thanksgiving episode, Ashlee and Jennifer dive deep into the role of gratitude and positive mindset amid the demanding lives of first responders and their families. They share personal stories, practical strategies for resilience, and how gratitude can shift perspectives even when everyday life is challenging and unpredictable.

Gratitude as a Tool for Resiliency: Ashlee and Jennifer discuss how practicing gratitude is not just a feel-good exercise but an active skill-building strategy to combat cognitive distortions and negative bias especially crucial for those regularly exposed to trauma and high-stress environments.

Skill Building for Mental Wellness: Jennifer emphasizes that building resilience isn’t a “one and done” event; it’s about consistent practice. Tools like “hunt the good stuff” (noting three positive things daily) are highlighted as simple yet powerful routines.

Conference Insights: Fresh back from a first responder conference, Ashlee shares reflections on how hard it can be to see the good when surrounded by negativity, reinforcing the psychological data that most of our happiness comes from our mindset, not just our actions.

Leadership & Positive Psychology: The conversation explores leadership within first responder agencies and the impact of balancing constructive feedback with genuine appreciation. They extend this message to parenting and home life, showing how positive reinforcement can shape culture.

Family & Holiday Traditions: Both Jennifer and Ashlee reminisce about growing up with first responder parents and share how their families made the best of holiday schedules and traditions. Whether at home or on the job. Ashlee recalls her dad’s department football games, and Jennifer reflects on celebrations surrounding her grandmother’s birthday.

Safety & Situational Awareness: Ashlee recounts a story from a trip to New Orleans, illustrating the “built-in” situational awareness many children of first responders carry into adulthood, and the value of trusting one’s gut.

Thankful for Community: Ashlee and Jennifer express deep gratitude for their listeners and the growing WTCHH community, acknowledging the support, engagement, and the ongoing journey of connection.

If this episode resonated with you or if you have stories to share about living with a first responder, reach out to Ashlee and Jennifer on their social media platforms!

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Hosts:

Dr. Ashlee Gethner, LCSW – Child of a Police Officer

Jennifer Woosley Saylor, LPCC S – Child of a Police Officer

Guest:

Larry Fraser, CMCP - 911 Director River County 911, 35 years experience as a First Responder: 911, as a jailer, EMT and Deputy Sheriff, currently serving as 2nd VP for KY APC

In this powerful episode, Ashlee and Jennifer are joined by Larry Fraser, an experienced 911 Director from Kentucky, as he shares his remarkable journey through decades of first responder work. Larry opens up about the deep personal impact of being a dispatcher, recounting critical incidents that shaped his life including the loss of a loved one during a shift, and a tragic accident involving his neighbor. He dives into the often-overlooked emotional toll dispatchers face and candidly discusses his battles with PTSD, the struggle for closure, and the transformative power of seeking mental health support.

Key Discussion Points:

• Dispatchers in the Spotlight: Larry sheds light on the disconnect between dispatchers and other first responders, emphasizing the need for greater recognition of dispatchers’ experiences and trauma.

• Critical Incidents & PTSD: He reflects on the anniversary of a life-changing call, the tragic accident of his fiancée and her child which led to personal trauma that wasn’t acknowledged for decades.

• Seeking Help & Recovery: Larry details his eventual diagnosis of PTSD, the process of seeking mental health support, and the life-changing relief he found through programs like PCIS and EMDR therapy.

• Work Culture, Family, and Healing: The episode explores how dispatchers often carry a caretaker mentality, sometimes at the expense of their own health, and the importance of self-care in restoring personal relationships.

• Advocacy, Training, and Leadership: Larry shares his passion for improving mental health resources, training, and peer support structures for dispatchers, hoping to pave the way for the next generation.

If this episode resonated with you or if you have stories to share about living with a first responder, reach out to Ashlee and Jennifer on their social media platforms!

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Hosts:

Dr. Ashlee Gethner, LCSW – Child of a Police Officer

Jennifer Woosley Saylor, LPCC S – Child of a Police Officer

Guest:

Mike Mudd - USAF Veteran, Retired Paramedic Captain, & Realtor®

In this powerful and candid episode, Ashlee and Jennifer are joined by Mike Mudd, a Louisville-based realtor, former paramedic, and USAF veteran. Mike reveals his journey through 25 years in EMS, the emotional toll of responding to critical incidents, and the struggles first responders face in accessing mental health support. With raw honesty, he shares personal stories of trauma, resilience, and the importance of recognizing and caring for the people behind the uniform.

Key Discussion Points:

Mike’s Career Journey - Started as a dispatcher; worked up to EMT and then paramedic and Captain in Louisville EMS service.Transitioned to real estate after reaching burnout in EMS.

Childhood Influences - Grew up in a split family with a police officer stepfather. Discussed Mike's childhood fascination with sirens, lights, and law enforcement.

Reality of EMS Work - Describing the unpredictability and independence required in EMS. Mike shares stories of traumatic calls, the emotional aftermath, and the lack of support systems during his tenure. Highlighting the emotional toll, including PTSD and worst-case scenario thinking.

Mental Health & Support - Mike discusses the lack of formal debriefing or mental health resources for EMS crews during his career. Makes a strong case for mandatory mental health checkups for first responders following major incidents and talks openly about the effects of trauma on personal relationships and daily life.

Leadership & Recognition - Reflection on management challenges and the importance of leadership that sees and supports its people. The group advocates for more recognition and appreciation for EMS, dispatchers, and corrections staff. Mike suggests that small gestures of affirmation (even a $2 ribbon) can drive morale and healing.

Family & Grief - Mike shares how his family's background in law enforcement shaped his worldview and relationships, with talks about coping with the loss of loved ones and choosing to live joyfully as a tribute to those lost.

Humor & Coping Mechanisms - Mike explains how humor, pranks, and camaraderie help crews decompress from the harsh reality of first responder work. He emphasizes the importance of healthy ways to release stress, sometimes misunderstood by the outside world.

Want to get in touch with Mike?

🔗 Website: https://www.mikemuddrealtor.com/

🔗 Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/mikemuddrealtor

🔗 Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/mike.mudd.188?mibextid=wwXIfr

Email: mike@semonin.com

If this episode resonated with you or if you have stories to share about living with a first responder, reach out to Ashlee and Jennifer on their social media platforms!

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The information contained in this podcast is for general information purposes only. The information is provided by Training Velocity LLC and while we endeavour to keep the information up to date and correct, we make no representations or warranties of any kind, express or implied, about the completeness, accuracy, reliability, suitability or availability with respect to the Podcast or the information, products, services, or related graphics contained in the podcast for any purpose. Any reliance you place on such information is strictly at your own risk.

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Hosts:

Dr. Ashlee Gethner, LCSW – Child of a Police Officer

Jennifer Woosley Saylor, LPCC S – Child of a Police Officer

Guest:

Kristin Greathouse, BSN, RN, NC-BC - Wife & Child of a First Responder

In this insightful episode, hosts Jennifer and Ashlee welcome the extraordinary Kristin Greathouse - nurse, board-certified nurse coach, first responder spouse and daughter to unpack the unique challenges and strengths of families serving on the front lines. They delve into Kristin’s personal journey, the crucial differences between coaching and therapy, and how coaching serves as a vital resource for first responder families navigating stress, trauma, and the demands of their roles.

Key Discussion Points:

Kristin’s Story: Kristin shares her background as both a child and spouse of first responders, her own path to nursing (including returning to school at 40!), and why she became passionate about nurse coaching.

Nurse Coaching Explained: What nurse coaching is, how it differs from traditional therapy, and why it’s particularly impactful for those in high-stress professions and their families.

Family Dynamics & First Responders: Kristin opens up about the realities of marriage to a police officer, navigating hypervigilance, and the importance of building a peaceful home sanctuary.

Themes in Coaching First Responder Families: Common struggles such as apologizing for feelings, putting oneself last, and the journey toward self-worth.

Self-Care that Actually Works: Kristin and the hosts exchange quick, practical self-care tools that resonate for first responders and their loved ones from tactical breathing and body scans to journaling (even with video!) and honest emotional expression.

Coaching in Real Life: How coaching techniques help defuse tension and promote understanding at home, plus why you shouldn’t take your partner’s work stress personally.

Supporting First Responder Kids: Reflections on growing up in a first responder household, the role of resilience, and insights for children (and parents) who carry these unique experiences.

Resources & Tips Mentioned:

EMDR therapy for trauma

Tactical (box) breathing techniques

Video and written journaling

Progressive muscle relaxation

Want to get in touch with Kristin?

Email: kmhgreathouse@gmail.com

If this episode resonated with you or if you have stories to share about living with a first responder, reach out to Ashlee and Jennifer on their social media platforms!

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The information contained in this podcast is for general information purposes only. The information is provided by Training Velocity LLC and while we endeavour to keep the information up to date and correct, we make no representations or warranties of any kind, express or implied, about the completeness, accuracy, reliability, suitability or availability with respect to the Podcast or the information, products, services, or related graphics contained in the podcast for any purpose. Any reliance you place on such information is strictly at your own risk.

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Hosts:

Dr. Ashlee Gethner, LCSW – Child of a Police Officer

Jennifer Woosley Saylor, LPCC S – Child of a Police Officer

In this heartfelt follow-up to their interview with Marian Crossgrove, Jennifer and Ashlee dive deep into the often-overlooked topic of substance abuse in the first responder community. With no guest this week, the hosts reflect on Marian’s story of resilience, recovery, and hope. They use her journey as a springboard for a candid discussion about why substance use is so common among first responders, how it impacts families, and what real recovery can look like.

Key Discussion Points:

Marian’s Inspiring Comeback: Marian’s story of losing her identity, seeking help, and returning to the first responder field offers hope to those who may feel isolated by substance abuse.

Cultural Normalization of Alcohol: The hosts discuss how drinking is woven into the fabric of first responder culture as a means of celebration, coping, camaraderie, and the slippery slope it can create.

Family Perspectives: Ashlee and Jennifer describe personal experiences growing up in families where drinking was normalized, and how family members can play a crucial role in identifying when substance use becomes a problem.

Defining Addiction: Jennifer breaks down how addiction is identified, emphasizing the importance of looking at functioning and not just frequency or quantity of use. They highlight the clinical criteria and how family concern is a significant indicator.

Genetics, Trauma, and Coping: The discussion covers how genetics, trauma exposure, and lack of healthy coping mechanisms can all intersect to increase the risk of substance abuse among first responders.

Shame, Stigma & Department Culture: There’s an honest exploration of the double standard within some departmentswhere drinking is both encouraged and shamed, and how this adds complexity to getting help.

Moving Toward Wellness: Both hosts stress the importance of departments understanding their resources, building peer support, and knowing treatment options because being prepared can save careers and lives.

The Complexity of Recovery: Recovery from substance abuse isn’t easy, especially in a culture where drinking is prevalent. Jennifer and Ashlee share insights on the dedication required for recovery and the ongoing journey of maintaining wellness.

Resources and Recommendations: The hosts encourage listeners to explore resources like Alcoholics Anonymous, peer support teams, and to approach the issue proactively within their departments. They remind families and departments to stay educated and ready to help.

If this episode resonated with you or if you have stories to share about living with a first responder, reach out to Ashlee and Jennifer on their social media platforms!

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Hosts:

Dr. Ashlee Gethner, LCSW – Child of a Police Officer

Jennifer Woosley Saylor, LPCC S – Child of a Police Officer

Guest:

Dr. Charles Baker - Retired Police Officer

Episode Overview:

In this enlightening episode, Jennifer and Ashlee sit down with Dr. Charles Baker, whose career path has come full circle: from Louisville Police Department officer, to high school teacher, to director of security, to criminal justice professor. Dr. Baker shares thoughtful reflections on how his diverse experiences have shaped his understanding of policing, teaching, and the intersection of criminal justice and mental health.

Key Topics Covered

Teaching Criminal Justice: Blends real-world police experience with academic theory, focuses on practical examples, and encourages critical discussion on current issues.

Misconceptions & Media: Breaks down myths from TV about policing, emphasizes the everyday realities of law enforcement, and highlights the crucial role of accurate report writing.

Mental Health & Family Impact: Discusses the growing openness about officer mental health, unique stressors of the job, and the effects on family life.

Key Skills for Officers: Stresses the importance of communication, understanding community perspectives, and balancing professionalism with compassion.

If this episode resonated with you or if you have stories to share about living with a first responder, reach out to Ashlee and Jennifer on their social media platforms!

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