#873. Kaitlyn sits down with history-making Sports Illustrated cover star Lauren Chan — the first out lesbian and first Chinese person to land the SI Swimsuit cover.

Lauren gets real about discovering her sexuality while married to a man, turning heartbreak into pride, and why representation is the driving force behind everything she does. From “gay audacity” to being trolled by Ben Shapiro, to falling in love on set with her now-partner, Lauren doesn’t hold back.

She spills about her time on Canada’s Drag Race and The Traitors Canada, admits she’s gunning for a spot on Real Housewives, and reveals her dream of hosting a queer dating show.

It’s raw, inspiring, and laugh-out-loud — and by the end, you’ll see why Lauren Chan is a voice we all need right now.

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EPISODE HIGHLIGHTS:

• (4:20) — How She Made History: From fashion editor to SI’s first lesbian cover star.
• (10:45) — Coming Out Shock: Realizing she was gay while married to a man.
• (24:30) — Reality TV Secrets: Behind the scenes The Traitors Canada + her dream queer dating show.
• (32:45) — Ben Shapiro Called Her Ugly?! Lauren breaks beauty standards and shuts down critics.

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#872. From flying fighter jets to inspiring audiences worldwide, Michelle “MACE” Curran’s story soars above and beyond. Once a shy small-town kid battling social anxiety, she went on to become the Lead Solo Pilot for the U.S. Air Force Thunderbirds—one of the most elite positions in aviation.

In this episode, Mace shares what it really takes to become a fighter pilot, the near-catastrophic flight that earned her the call sign “Mace,” and the reality of often being the only woman in the room. She and Kaitlyn dive into her new book The Flipside: How to Invert Your Perspective and Turn Fear into Your Superpower, unpacking the tools she uses to turn fear into confidence and why boldness is built—not born.

From high-G turns in the cockpit to captivating keynote stages, Mace proves that bravery isn’t about being fearless—it’s about showing up anyway.

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EPISODE HIGHLIGHTS:

• (4:03)– The Moment She Knew She Wanted to Fly Fighter Jets
• (24:00) – The Story Behind the Call Sign “Mace”
• (29:30) – Becoming Only The 2nd Woman as Lead Solo Pilot
• (51:35) – How Mace Met Her Husband on Bumble
• (58:25) – Turning Fear Into a Superpower

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#871. Did you know Colton Underwood and Kaitlyn are cohosting a brand-new Hulu dating show, Are You My First? Now that the season is out, they can finally spill all the tea — and this is the convo Colton was most nervous for… because when they sit down together, things get way too comfortable ;)

We cover it all — their totally different journeys with love and sex, how Colton finally lost his virginity, and the guilt, confusion, and shame he carried while trying to convince himself he was straight. He opens up about faith, coming out, and what life looks like now — married, starting a family, and finally living as his best self.

But don’t worry, it’s not all serious! They spill behind-the-scenes tea from filming on a tropical island (think lightning strikes & jellyfish attacks), dish on cast secrets, and even debate who was really a virgin. Plus — reunion plans? A lie detector for season 2?

Hit play for laughs, honesty, and stories you won’t hear anywhere else.

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• (10:08) – Colton gets real about losing his virginity, the guilt, the shame, and the wild mental gymnastics he did trying to convince himself he was straight.
• (29:07) – Who from Are You My First? could survive Bachelor in Paradise.
• (32:50) – Tropics gone wild: lightning strikes, storms, and a jellyfish coming straight for Kaitlyn.
• (39:30) –Colton shares what it’s like now — married, building a family, and finally living as his authentic self.

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#870. This week, Kaitlyn is joined by The McBee Dynasty’s Steven McBee Jr. — the cowboy turned reality TV star whose family drama is giving Yellowstone a run for its money. From his days on Joe Millionaire to running a 40,000-acre farm to that infamous butt shower scene, Steven’s spilling everything we’ve been dying to know.

He’s dishing on how his family landed a Bravo show, where things really stand with Calah, the surprising type of women he can’t resist, and why his first dates literally cost thousands. We’re also getting personal: his dad’s absence this season, his mom stepping into the spotlight, and if we’ll ever see him handing out roses on The Bachelor.

And of course — we wrap it up with a juicy confession that involves a girl, a freezing Missouri night, and a gas station fail. Buckle up, because this convo is equal parts cowboy, chaos, and confessions!

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• (2:13) – How the McBee Dynasty Became Reality Tv!
• (7:30) – Steven answers the #1 fan question about his on-again, off-again girlfriend.
• (8:52) – Why His First Dates Cost Thousands of Dollars!
• (22:49) – Where’s Steven’s Dad This Season? Steven opens up about his father’s absence.
• (39:40) – Steven shares an epic confession that involves a girl he was in love with and a gas station disaster.

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#869. For years, Amanda Knox’s name was defined by headlines, speculation, and a story that wasn’t hers to tell. Now, with her new Hulu series The Twisted Tale of Amanda Knox, she’s finally reclaiming her narrative — and she joins Kaitlyn for one of the most powerful, emotional conversations ever on Off the Vine.

Amanda sets the record straight about those infamous “strange behavior” moments, the coerced false confession, and what it was like to spend nearly her entire twenties under the shadow of prison and retrials. She opens up about survivor’s guilt, the toll on her family, and how becoming a mother reshaped the way she views it all.

She also shares what it was like collaborating with Monica Lewinsky and Grace Van Patten, why the world was so quick to villainize her, and the memory of Meredith Kercher she wants the world to remember beyond the news coverage.

Raw, unfiltered, and deeply human — this is Amanda Knox like you’ve never heard her before!

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• (8:20) – Survivor’s guilt: Amanda opens up about carrying the weight of being the one who lived.
• (18:13) – Family impact: Why Amanda believes her mom suffered more than she did.
• (31:59) – Behind the series: Working with Monica Lewinsky and Grace Van Patten on her new Hulu show.
• (52:37) – Strange behavior: Amanda sets the record straight on the infamous media narrative.
• (1:00:13) – Remembering Meredith: Amanda honors her roommate’s life and the traits she wants the world to remember.

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#868. What happens when you dedicate your entire life to the game you love… and then it’s suddenly gone?

This week, Kaitlyn sits down with 2x World Cup Champion Ashlyn Harris, who opens up about the extreme competitor she’s always been (spoiler: don’t challenge her in beer pong), the brutal toll pro soccer took on her body, and what it really feels like when the dream ends overnight. She shares how she found purpose after retirement, why she walked away from the “traditional” post-athlete path, and what it means to raise her kids with intention. Ashlyn also gets candid about being openly gay in sports, how her journey of identity shaped her, and yes — she spills on her love story with Sophia Bush.

Hit play, because if you think you know Ashlyn Harris… think again. And don’t miss her new podcast, Wide Open, produced by iHeart Women’s Sports!

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EPISODE HIGHLIGHTS:

• (5:57) – The brutal toll pro soccer took on Ashlyn’s body—and what it really feels like when the dream ends overnight.
• (21:15) – Her decision to retire: mental, physical, and why the love of the game eventually faded.
• (35:03) – Being a gay woman in sports, representation, and the reality of living openly in the locker room.
• (44:54) – Her love story with Sophia Bush, how they met, and why Ashlyn calls her “a saint.”

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#867. When Kaitlyn Bristowe sits down with Canadian country music icon Brett Kissel, you know you’re in for a mix of belly laughs, heartfelt moments, and maybe even a little singing. Brett takes Kaitlyn back to where it all started — writing his first song at just 7 years old — and shares how that early passion shaped his new album, Let Your Horses Run.

They dive deep into the world of country music songwriting, swapping stories about the creative process and unpacking the emotional backstory behind his new track “Rich Is,” a moment so powerful it brings Kaitlyn to tears. But it’s not all serious — there’s plenty of laughter as they use ChatGPT to roast Brett’s life, swap Canadian slang, and relive his wild ride on a bull for his latest music video (that he almost made 8 seconds!).

It’s part heartfelt storytelling, part hilarious catch-up between two buddies — and all the reason you need to hit play.

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EPISODE HIGHLIGHTS:

• (10:55) Brett shares how he started songwriting at just 7 years old — and even sings a little of his very first song.
• (14:32) The emotional backstory behind “Rich Is” from his new album Let Your Horses Run — Brett walks Kaitlyn through the lyrics, and she can’t hold back tears.
• (32:51) The wild story of riding a bull for his latest music video — how close he came to 8 seconds, and whether he’d do it again.

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#866. Kaitlyn sits down with the internet’s favorite pop culture historian, astrology girlie, and professional yapper — Tefi Pessoa. From being the “worst receptionist” to landing her own talk show, going viral on TikTok, and now launching her new podcast Tefi Talks with Vox Media, Tefi takes us through the unfiltered evolution of her career. The two cover everything from past life regressions (turns out Tefi was once a large Scottish man), to surviving on olives and noodles in New York, dodging the male gaze, and what it’s really like interviewing icons like Nicole Kidman on the red carpet. Plus, she shares the advice she gives online (and sometimes needs to take herself), her karaoke lineup, and why Stevie Nicks would be her dream gossip partner! It’s the ultimate girl gossip sesh — tune in now!

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EPISODE HIGHLIGHTS:

• (7:11) – Tefi shares her go-to karaoke lineup!
• (13:13) – The wild past life regression where she discovered she was a large Scottish man.
• (28:00) – How she landed her first YouTube hosting gig!
• (46:09) – Why Nicole Kidman stands out as her all-time favorite interview.

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