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From bootstrapped chaos to VC-backed scale, Built 2 Scale is your backstage pass to building high-growth startups at the edge of business, tech, AI, and robotics. Hosted by founders Matt Perrott and Scott Wilcox, this podcast dives into the raw, unfiltered reality of turning big ideas into scalable companies. Each week, we unpack the messy middle—fundraising, hiring, product-market fit, and the growing role of automation and AI in modern business. No hype. No jargon. Just real stories, hard lessons, and sharp insights from founders who are actually in the trenches. Whether you’re building SaaS, hardware, or something the world’s never seen before—if you’re scaling, you’re in the right place.Copyright 2025 Built 2 Scale Gestion et leadership Politique Économie
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  • The $100 Million AI Talent War: Meta vs OpenAI
    Jul 4 2025
    Episode Summary

    Scott and Matt dive into the biggest tech stories of the week, covering Meta's aggressive talent acquisition spree, XAI's massive $10B funding round, Neuralink's breakthrough presentations, and the escalating race to artificial superintelligence. Plus: robot soccer leagues, Dyson's strawberry venture, and why AI nerds are now being traded like professional athletes.

    Key Topics CoveredThe AI Talent Wars
    • Meta's billion-dollar talent poaching - Zuckerberg offering 9-figure packages to lure top AI researchers from OpenAI
    • Alexander Wang acquisition - Scale AI founder becomes Meta's Chief AI Officer for $12B
    • Viral memes - "I used to pray for the day nerds would be traded like athletes"
    • OpenAI's response - Leaked Slack messages reveal employee burnout concerns

    XAI's Monster Round
    • $10 billion funding - Half equity, half debt structure
    • Star-studded investors - A16Z, Sequoia, Fidelity, BlackRock, Nvidia, AMD, and the Saudis
    • Elon's strategy - Building "truth-seeking AI" with vertical integration across his companies
    • Smart investor selection - Learning from past PayPal coup experience

    Neuralink's Bandwidth Revolution
    • Human bandwidth bottleneck - Average person limited to 1KB/second (8MB/day) through thumbs
    • 100x improvement promise - Direct brain-computer interface eliminates typing constraints
    • Strategic approach - Starting with disability and disease to navigate privacy concerns
    • Vision restoration - Literally curing blindness as next product launch

    Other Headlines
    • Trump's F-word diplomacy - How swearing apparently ended a conflict
    • Dyson's strawberry crisis - Vacuum legend pivots to fruit farming
    • Posting to product head - How Nikita Bier memed his way to head of product at X
    • China's AI glasses war - Xiaomi vs Meta in wearable AI race

    Robot Rundown
    • Amazon's million-robot army - Quiet deployment of massive automation infrastructure
    • Genesis AI's $100M bet - Becoming the "GPT for robotics" (but maybe don't challenge Nvidia)
    • K-Bot home delivery - $9,000 household robots ready for pickup in San Francisco
    • Robot soccer betting - New AI football league creates gambling opportunities
    • Australia's innovation attempts - First AI robotics accelerator launches

    Enterprise AI Moves
    • Campfire's $35M accounting disruption - AI-first tool challenging Oracle NetSuite and Xero
    • Microsoft's medical superintelligence - Claiming AI models better than GPs
    • Google's education push - Notebook LM integration into classrooms
    • Big Tech bundling strategy - Using ecosystem lock-in to crush startups

    Tool of the Week

    Chef by Convex - AI-powered development tool competing with Replit and Bolt, highly recommended by Matt's business partner for internal tool development.

    Memorable Quotes

    "I used to pray for the day nerds would be traded like athletes. That day is finally here and it's effing glorious."


    "Your dad kept getting poached back and forth by the top AI labs, and he actually never did any work."


    "They've been fighting for so long. They don't know what the f** they're doing. And then it stopped."*


    "The average human can only produce 8 megabytes a day of throughput......

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    59 min
  • $2B for No Product, Robots Under $3K & Australia's Massive Miss
    Jun 27 2025
    Title: $2B for No Product, Robots Under $3K & Australia's Massive Miss

    Hosts: Scott Wilcox (W & Elycium) & Matt Perrott (BuildPass)


    This week, Scotty & Matt explore the seismic shifts in AI talent acquisition, humanoid robots reaching consumer price points, and Australia's untapped potential to become a tech superpower.


    Episode Highlights

    The Great AI Talent Migration

    • Thinking Machines raises unprecedented $2B seed round at $10B valuation with no product, just talent
    • OpenAI leadership exodus creating billion-dollar startups overnight
    • The new reality: buying teams vs traditional hiring in AI

    Wearable AI Revolution

    • Limitless pendant deep dive: AI coach vs note-taker reality check
    • Future convergence of analog watches and AI technology
    • De-optimization movement challenging data-driven lifestyle tracking


    Robotics Breakthrough

    • Hugging Face humanoid robots priced under $3K (cheaper than MacBooks)
    • Open-source revolution democratizing robotics development
    • Tesla robo-taxi milestone: 20+ rides with zero interventions

    Australia's Trillion-Dollar Missed Opportunity

    • Energy policy crisis: shipping coal while paying 10% more for domestic power
    • Darwin/Geelong innovation hub vision as "Australian Shenzhen"
    • Cultural barriers: tall poppy syndrome vs American business optimism

    Key Segments

    Headlines & Hot Takes (00:00)

    • Limitless pendant early impressions
    • Noosa beach remote work setup
    • Thinking Machines $2B mystery round breakdown

    AI Tool Showdown (32:50)

    • 11 Labs conversational AI vs ChatGPT voice mode
    • Y Combinator AI startup school insights
    • Elon's 12-month AGI prediction analysis

    Tool of the Week (48:35)

    iPhone home screen optimization for AI-powered productivity

    Robot Rundown (52:20)

    • Sub-$3K humanoid robots changing the game
    • SoftBank's $1T Arizona AI manufacturing hub
    • Autonomous vehicle update: Tesla vs Waymo strategies

    Australia Tech Policy Deep Dive (01:02:15)

    • Energy crisis impact on tech competitiveness
    • Innovation hub strategy discussion
    • Cultural transformation needed for tech leadership

    Companies & Resources Mentioned

    AI Startups:

    • Thinking Machines (Mira Murati)
    • Cluely AI (A16Z-backed)
    • Limitless (AI pendant)
    • Eleven Labs

    Major Players:

    • OpenAI, Y Combinator
    • Hugging Face, Tesla, Waymo
    • SoftBank Vision Fund, TSMC
    • A16Z (Andreessen Horowitz)

    Key Figures:

    • Mira Murati, Sam Altman, Elon Musk
    • Masa Son (SoftBank)

    Why This Episode Matters

    The AI talent wars are reshaping venture capital, with teams commanding billion-dollar valuations before building products. Meanwhile, open-source robotics and autonomous vehicles are hitting critical adoption thresholds. Australia sits at a crossroads - blessed with resources but held back by policy and culture.


    Perfect for: Founders, VCs, tech operators, and anyone tracking the intersection of AI, robotics, and geopolitics.


    Built 2 Scale delivers weekly deep dives into the tech trends reshaping business. Subscribe for founder-focused insights on startups, AI agents, robotics, and the future of work.


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    1 h et 34 min
  • Is ARR a Myth?
    Jun 19 2025
    Episode Snapshot

    Scott returns from China with a chipped tooth and eye-opening insights into Shenzhen's tech dominance, while Matt reports from Vegas conferences. This week: Zuckerberg's $15B talent grab, Jensen's European roadmap, the reality behind viral ARR growth, and why Tesla's $40K robo-taxi approach might crush Waymo's $180K strategy.

    Quick Episode Guide

    Timestamp Segment

    00:00:00 Headlines — The mystery week off, China revelations, talent wars

    00:01:19 Scott's Shenzhen dental disaster (cardboard water box incident)

    00:04:07 Limitless pendant returns + DIY AirTag hack strategy

    00:04:51 Talent acquisition mania: Alexander Wang's $15B vs Johnny Ive's $6.5B

    00:08:10 Apple intern's "LLMs are stupid" research paper

    00:10:49 China Deep Dive: Hong Kong's 4,000 towers vs Sydney's 50

    00:15:45 Manufacturing tour: half-price + not automated yet

    00:19:27 Dual-stack strategy: Huawei backend, Nvidia frontend

    00:21:09 Matt's Vegas conference intel—Premier partnership breakthrough

    00:28:42 ARR speed-running: quality vs viral growth metrics

    00:31:01 Impulse tool purchasing—the Hawk Tuah of SaaS revenue

    00:32:49 AI News: Google VO3 & Flow viral video generation

    00:40:28 Jensen in Paris: NVIDIA's full-stack Europe awakening

    00:46:28 ChatGPT tools integration vs Slack's data restrictions

    00:53:02 Perplexity Labs: Greg Eisenberg's 5-job replacement tweet

    00:58:00 Tool of the Week: ChatGPT Projects upgrade for client pitches

    01:07:31 Robot Rundown: Tesla $40K vs Waymo $180K robo-taxi costs

    01:13:14 Autonomous drones beat world champion human pilot

    01:17:19 Next Week Preview: Building Australia's own Shenzhen

    Key Themes
    • Peak AI Bubble Behavior – Buying talent without products
    • China Manufacturing Dominance – Shenzhen's 40-year transformation
    • ARR Quality vs Quantity – Viral growth vs sustainable revenue
    • Data Ownership Wars – Big Tech fighting for your information
    • AI-Native Workforce – 18-year-olds eating everyone's lunch
    • Custom GPT Enterprise Strategy – Turning AI into sales weapons
    • Autonomous Vehicle Economics – First principles vs bolt-on approaches

    Resources & Mentions
    • Alexander Wang / Scale AI ($15B Meta acquisition)
    • Jensen Huang Paris GTC speeches
    • ChatGPT Projects tool integration
    • Perplexity Labs capabilities
    • Notebook LM research synthesis
    • Tesla Robo-taxi vs Waymo cost analysis
    • DJI autonomous drone championships
    • Built 2 Scale incubator concept

    About Built 2 Scale

    Founders Scott Wilcox (construction/property) and Matt Perrott (BuildPass) explore startups, AI, manufacturing, and the intersection of physical + digital innovation. Fresh insights drop weekly.

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    1 h et 15 min

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