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  • EPISODE 11: Michele Nieberding Shares Her Top Use Cases and Future Predictions for AI in Product Marketing
    Sep 5 2025

    Liza Cichowski interviews Michelle Nieberding, a director of product marketing at Treasure Data and an expert in leveraging AI for marketing strategies. They discuss the top use cases for AI in product marketing, including customer insights, messaging, and asset generation. Michele predicts that the future of AI in marketing will include more precise personalization and stronger automation. The conversation also touches on Michelle's career journey, leadership lessons, and personal growth through learning a new sport.


    Takeaways

    • AI tools can help mine customer insights effectively.
    • Personalization in marketing is crucial for engagement.
    • Experimentation allows marketers to test hypotheses and strategies.
    • AI can generate messaging and marketing assets quickly.
    • Building frameworks with AI can streamline go-to-market strategies.
    • The future of AI will focus on autonomous content delivery.
    • Learning from failures is essential for growth in marketing.
    • Patience and perseverance are key in both golf and marketing.
    • AI can enhance interdepartmental collaboration and efficiency.
    • Effective leadership involves empowering teams and trusting their decisions.


    Chapters

    00:00 Introduction to AI in Product Marketing

    01:44 Top Use Cases for AI in Product Marketing

    05:36 Experimentation and Analysis with AI

    06:09 Personalization and Differentiation Strategies

    11:07 Building Workflows and Frameworks with AI

    22:24 Building an Internal Ecosystem with AI

    24:16 The Future of AI in Product Marketing

    28:39 Leadership Lessons from Experience

    33:42 Personal Growth Through Learning to Play Golf



    TOOLS MENTIONED:

    Alphana.ai to automate audio and video content creation

    Alpha-sense.com for market research

    ChatGPT.com for an all-in-one AI tool

    Claude.ai for content creation

    Evidenza.ai for customer research

    Gamma.app for slide creation

    Glean.com to automate AI powered internal processes

    Opus.pro for video clip editing

    Paperflite.com for sales enablement content management

    Perplexity.ai for competitive research

    Personality.ai for customer personas

    Retellio.com for sales call insights


    Connect with Michele Nieberding on LinkedIn:

    https://www.linkedin.com/in/michele-nieberding/

    When sales and product teams are aligned, customer growth is unstoppable!

    For more information, visit www.lastwordmktg.com.
    Connect with Liza on Linkedin: https://www.linkedin.com/in/lizachick/

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    36 min
  • EPISODE 10: Mike Asebrook on GTM Strategy, Competitive Focus, and the Emotional Power of Customer-Centered Marketing
    Jun 30 2025

    Liza Cichowski sits down with Mike Asebrook to unpack what it takes to build meaningful differentiation and successful go-to-market programs in highly saturated markets. Mike shares how tiered launch strategies can bring clarity and alignment to chaotic product rollouts, and why deep competitive research and customer interviews are vital to standing out. He also highlights the power of emotional connection in B2B marketing. Mike shows how product marketing sits at the heart of a successful GTM motion.


    Takeaways

    • Aligning corporate strategy with product marketing is crucial for success.
    • Effective go-to-market strategies can significantly impact product launches.
    • Differentiation in saturated markets requires a deep understanding of competitors and customers.
    • Cross-functional alignment between product, marketing, and sales is essential for success.
    • Building emotional connections in B2B marketing can enhance customer engagement.
    • Trust and collaboration with sales teams are vital for effective product marketing.
    • It's important to learn from mistakes and adapt your approach.
    • Enjoying your work can positively influence your marketing efforts.
    • Customer-centricity should be at the heart of all marketing strategies.


    Chapters

    00:00 Introduction to Product Marketing and Guest Background

    01:28 Aligning Corporate Strategy with Product Marketing

    03:56 Effective Go-to-Market Strategies

    06:45 Differentiation in Saturated Markets

    10:23 Cross-Functional Alignment and Communication

    13:19 Building Emotional Connections in B2B Marketing

    16:21 Trust Building with Sales Teams

    20:25 Leadership Lessons from Experience

    23:53 Final Thoughts and Advice


    Connect with Mike Asebrook on LinkedIn:

    https://www.linkedin.com/in/mikeasebrook/


    When sales and product teams are aligned, customer growth is unstoppable!

    For more information, visit www.lastwordmktg.com.
    Connect with Liza on Linkedin: https://www.linkedin.com/in/lizachick/

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    26 min
  • EPISODE 9: Heather Macaulay on How Telling a Good Story Has Been Key to Her Success in Ad Tech Sales and Marketing
    Jun 11 2025

    Summary

    Liza Cichowski speaks with Heather Macaulay, president of MadTech, about how she’s navigated her career in sales and marketing. Heather talks extensively about how the ability to tell a good story has helped her sell her ideas to both her leadership team as well as to clients. She also gives insight on her leadership style, how she collaborates with marketing teams, and the necessity of constantly providing value to customers.


    Takeaways

    • Product marketing is often misunderstood or undervalued in organizations.
    • Redefining product marketing roles is essential for alignment.
    • Effective go-to-market strategies require education and consultative selling.
    • Differentiation in a crowded market is increasingly challenging.
    • Storytelling is crucial for engaging customers and stakeholders.
    • Collaboration across teams enhances the development of marketing strategies.
    • Setting realistic expectations with executives is vital for success.
    • Anecdotes and case studies help in gaining executive buy-in.
    • Balancing work and personal life is more about prioritization than equal distribution.
    • Providing real value to customers fosters long-term relationships.



    Chapters

    00:00 Introduction to MadTech and Heather Macauley

    02:08 Aligning Marketing with Corporate Strategy

    04:51 Effective Go-To-Market Strategies

    10:53 Differentiation in a Saturated Market

    16:04 Internal Collaboration and Storytelling

    22:58 Leadership Lessons and Career Insights

    28:31 Providing Value to Customers



    Contact Heather

    Connect with Heather Macauley on LinkedIn:

    https://www.linkedin.com/in/heathermenery/



    When sales and product teams are aligned, customer growth is unstoppable!

    For more information, visit www.lastwordmktg.com.
    Connect with Liza on Linkedin: https://www.linkedin.com/in/lizachick/

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    30 min
  • EPISODE 8: Gavin Dunaway Talks about Why Taking Creative Risks is a Superpower in B2B Marketing
    May 27 2025

    Liza Cichowski interviews Gavin Dunaway, Head of Marketing at The Media Trust. Gavin shares how embracing creativity and thinking like a journalist helps him stand out in the B2B space. From making fun YouTube videos singing about malvertising to launching quick-turn LinkedIn campaigns, Gavin explains why taking creative risks is a superpower in a category saturated with sameness. We also talk about tight sales-marketing alignment, listening to the market, and why marketers should care about everything their customers care about, even if it’s outside their product scope.


    Takeaways:

    • Aligning product marketing with corporate strategy is a moving target.
    • Evolving corporate strategies require constant communication with executives.
    • Content strategy is crucial for engaging different audiences.
    • Successful marketing initiatives often require quick adaptation to market changes.
    • Differentiation in saturated markets relies on showcasing product advantages and personality.
    • Creativity in B2B marketing can set a brand apart from competitors.
    • Sales and marketing collaboration is essential for success.
    • Building trust with the sales team enhances communication and effectiveness.
    • Flexibility in messaging is key to adapting to market feedback.
    • Thinking like a journalist can provide valuable insights for marketers.


    Chapters:

    00:00 Introduction to the Podcast and Guest

    01:54 Evolving Corporate Strategy in Marketing

    04:28 Aligning Management with Marketing Priorities

    06:24 Strategies and Tactics in B2B Marketing

    07:31 Learning from Marketing Challenges

    08:56 Differentiation in a Saturated Market

    11:36 Creativity and Humor in B2B Marketing

    14:11 Collaboration with Sales Team

    14:52 Building Strong Sales and Marketing Relationships

    20:04 Lessons from Career Experiences

    20:19 Advice for Marketers and Leaders


    Connect with Gavin Dunaway on LinkedIn:

    https://www.linkedin.com/in/gavindunaway1980/


    Check out some of Gavin's ad tech videos on YouTube!

    🎶 I Will Monetize

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gzDRmJDp70M


    🎶 Bad Ads Rising

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1hFnndmvO0E


    When sales and product teams are aligned, customer growth is unstoppable!

    For more information, visit www.lastwordmktg.com.
    Connect with Liza on Linkedin: https://www.linkedin.com/in/lizachick/

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    23 min
  • EPISODE 7: Soizic Sacrez Shares How IAB Achieves Consensus in a Complex Digital Advertising Ecosystem
    Apr 29 2025

    In this episode of The Last Word on Product Marketing, Liza Cichowski speaks with Soizic Sacrez, Vice President of Marketing at the Interactive Advertising Bureau (IAB). They discuss how IAB sets industry standards, the importance of driving consensus among members, and the various marketing strategies used to promote initiatives. Soizic shares insights on member engagement, planning for future initiatives, and measuring success. The conversation also touches on the critical issue of data privacy and how IAB is helping its members navigate compliance. Soizic talks about her career before joining IAB and the leadership lessons she has learned along the way, emphasizing that the key to great marketing programs is the ability to balance art and science.


    Takeaways

    • IAB empowers the media and marketing industry to thrive in the digital economy.
    • The organization faces unique challenges in rolling out standards and solutions.
    • Driving consensus among members is crucial for adopting guidelines and best practices.
    • IAB uses various marketing channels to promote its initiatives and resources.
    • Member engagement is essential for the success of IAB's initiatives.
    • Planning for the future involves collaboration and prioritization of key topics.
    • Success metrics vary by project but often focus on awareness and engagement.
    • Data privacy is a top concern, with IAB providing resources for compliance.
    • Soizic emphasizes the importance of understanding audience pain points in marketing.
    • Leadership in marketing requires balancing creativity with analytical insights.


    Connect with Soizic Sacrez on LinkedIn:

    https://www.linkedin.com/in/sushisoiz/


    Check out IAB Tech Lab:

    https://iabtechlab.com


    Learn about IAB's Women in Ad Tech Initiative:

    https://okt.to/cDsjPm


    When sales and product teams are aligned, customer growth is unstoppable!

    For more information, visit www.lastwordmktg.com.
    Connect with Liza on Linkedin: https://www.linkedin.com/in/lizachick/

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    25 min
  • EPISODE 6: Matt Engstrom’s “Test and Learn” Approach to Marketing Strategy and Leadership Has Been Key to His Success
    Mar 28 2025

    In this episode of The Last Word on Product Marketing, Liza Cichowski speaks with Matt Engstrom, VP of Marketing at Digital Remedy. They discuss the importance of understanding customer needs in product marketing, the different challenges faced by media companies and ad agencies, and how to differentiate in a competitive ad tech landscape. Matt shares insights on go-to-market strategies that have worked for his team, the importance of aligning sales and marketing efforts, and how being a caring leader is essential to team collaboration. He emphasizes the need for perseverance and curiosity in the marketing field, concluding with advice on building trust and delivering value to clients.


    Takeaways

    • Understanding customer needs guides product marketing strategies.
    • Resource constraints are a common challenge for agencies.
    • A one-stop shop approach simplifies client interactions.
    • Differentiation is crucial in a competitive ad tech market.
    • Lead with benefits in marketing messaging.
    • Aligning sales and marketing efforts enhances effectiveness.
    • Leadership requires a focus on team dynamics and collaboration.
    • Perseverance is key in the face of feedback and challenges.
    • Curiosity about team needs fosters better relationships.
    • Building trust is essential for successful marketing.


    Chapters

    00:00 Introduction to Digital Remedy and Matt Engstrom

    01:43 Aligning Product Marketing with Corporate Strategy

    03:07 Understanding Client Challenges in Advertising

    05:23 Addressing Client Needs with a One-Stop Shop

    07:48 Differentiating Between Brands and Agencies

    10:37 Navigating Competition in the Ad Tech Ecosystem

    13:16 Effective Go-to-Market Strategies

    17:18 Aligning Sales and Marketing Efforts

    19:41 Effective Communication Strategies in Sales

    21:31 Collaboration with Product Teams

    26:22 Leadership Evolution and Personal Growth

    30:24 The Importance of Caring in Leadership

    32:07 Personal Passions and Hobbies

    32:29 Advice on Perseverance and Confidence


    Connect with Matthew Engstrom on LinkedIn:

    https://www.linkedin.com/in/matthew-engstrom-mba-88802940/


    When sales and product teams are aligned, customer growth is unstoppable!

    For more information, visit www.lastwordmktg.com.
    Connect with Liza on Linkedin: https://www.linkedin.com/in/lizachick/

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    35 min
  • EPISODE 5: Bennett Crumbling's Agile and Collaborative Approach to B2B Marketing
    Feb 17 2025

    In this episode of The Last Word on Product Marketing, Liza Cichowski speaks with Bennett Crumbling, VP of Marketing at Optable, about the unique challenges of running marketing at an ad tech startup that serves the interests of both advertisers and publishers. They talk about how aligning the company on a core message is important but you have to accept that the Sales team is going to act autonomously sometimes to close a deal. Bennett shares the lessons he’s learned on the job and in previous positions about staying motivated and leading a team.


    Connect with Bennett on LinkedIn:

    https://www.linkedin.com/in/bennett-crumbling-b87778217/


    Takeaways:

    • Aligning product marketing with corporate strategy is challenging.
    • Customer segmentation complicates messaging in ad tech.
    • Ad tech requires understanding the needs of both publishers and advertisers.
    • Balancing technical features with broader narratives is essential.
    • Collaboration between sales and marketing is key to success.
    • Sales enablement requires collaboration and understanding
    • Listening to sales calls can provide valuable insights.
    • Pushing oneself to grow is important for career satisfaction.
    • Building trust with sales teams enhances collaboration.
    • Personal passions can contribute to overall well-being.


    Chapters:

    00:00 Navigating Growth Challenges at an Ad tech Startup

    07:36 Customer Segmentation and Messaging Complexity

    14:17 Collaborating with the Sales Team

    19:40 Direct Communication with Customers is Essential to Understanding Their Challenges

    22:50 Career Lessons and Leadership Insights

    27:28 Personal Passions


    When sales and product teams are aligned, customer growth is unstoppable!

    For more information, visit www.lastwordmktg.com.
    Connect with Liza on Linkedin: https://www.linkedin.com/in/lizachick/

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    30 min
  • EPISODE 4: Maria Pousa Goes Beyond Features and Talks about Building Emotional Connections in B2B Product Marketing
    Jan 2 2025

    Summary

    In this episode of The Last Word on Product Marketing, Liza Cichowski speaks with Maria Pousa, Chief Growth Officer at global advertising agency, ISPD, about the complexities of product marketing, the challenges of aligning marketing with sales, and the importance of emotional connections in B2B sales. They discuss the evolving role of product marketers, the need for effective communication within organizations, and the significance of building trust with customers. Maria shares her insights on leadership, career development, and the dynamics of working in different organizational environments, particularly in the context of startups versus corporations.


    Takeaways

    • Product marketing roles are often misunderstood and complex.
    • Effective communication is key to aligning product marketing with sales.
    • The need for feedback loops between teams is critical for success.
    • Differentiation in a saturated market is increasingly challenging.
    • Building trust with customers is essential in B2B sales.
    • Success in marketing requires a company-wide approach, not just a marketing focus.
    • Emotional connections play a significant role in B2B purchasing decisions.
    • Leadership requires patience and understanding of team dynamics.
    • Career development is about finding the right fit and environment.
    • Personal motivations can drive professional success.


    Key Moments:

    00:00 Navigating Product Marketing Challenges

    06:05 Best Practices in Product Marketing

    07:56 The Reality of Competitive Differentiation

    10:50 Building Effective Relationships with Sales

    16:25 Balancing Product Features and Emotional Connection

    22:22 Personal Journey and Leadership Insights




    Contact Maria:

    Connect with Maria on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/mpousa/


    When sales and product teams are aligned, customer growth is unstoppable!

    For more information, visit www.lastwordmktg.com.
    Connect with Liza on Linkedin: https://www.linkedin.com/in/lizachick/

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    30 min