Ever feel like you're stuck between a full caseload and a full calendar of doctor’s appointments - for your parents?

You're not alone.

In this episode of The Practice of Therapy Podcast, Marissa Wells joins Gordon to talk about what it really looks like to juggle private practice while caring for aging family members.

She’s not here to preach “perfect balance”—because let’s face it, that doesn’t exist. Instead, Marissa shares her wisdom on finding harmony, navigating proactive grief, setting real boundaries, and reconnecting with joy in the midst of it all.

Whether you’re a therapist, a caregiver, or somewhere in between, this conversation will speak to your soul—and give you practical ways to stay grounded while showing up for the people who need you most.

💬 Get ready to feel seen, understood, and maybe even a little inspired. Hit play now!

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Meet Marissa Wells

Marissa Wells is a Licensed Professional Counselor in Arkansas and an aging family educator who’s all about helping families make sense of the tough stuff that comes with aging—without losing their minds or their connection to each other.

She’s passionate about bringing hope and clarity to those tricky moments when adult kids and grandkids are trying to figure out how to care for aging loved ones.

On top of that, she’s a licensed supervisor who loves helping new therapists find their footing, discover who they’re meant to serve, and build a self-pay private practice that actually works for their life.

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Ever feel like you're crushing it in session but completely lost when it comes to your practice’s finances?

You’re not alone—and you're definitely not broken. In this episode of The Practice of Therapy, Andrea Rotondo is here to pull back the curtain on the real reason so many therapists avoid their numbers (spoiler: it’s not laziness), and how to stop letting fear and overwhelm run the show.

If QuickBooks makes you want to cry, if you’ve ever Googled “what is a P&L?” at midnight, or if you just want to feel a little more confident talking to your accountant, this conversation is for you. Andrea’s down-to-earth, practical, and totally non-judgy approach will help you stop avoiding and start owning your role as the CEO of your practice, without needing a finance degree or a personality transplant.

Trust us: this is the pep talk your bank account has been waiting for.

5 Things You’ll Learn in This Episode:

1. Why avoiding your numbers only makes them scarier
2. How to start small and build financial confidence over time
3. The must-have systems for solo and group practices
4. How to make your financial tools actually work for you
5. Why understanding your P&L is key to planning your life, not just your taxes

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Meet Andrea Rotondo

I founded Liquid Cents Bookkeeping to help therapy practice owners simplify their financial systems and rebuild QuickBooks, so cash flow finally makes sense.

With a background in psychology, military life, and being an immigrant, I understand the challenges of stepping into business ownership.

My passion is helping therapists like you build financial clarity and stability—so you can focus on your clients, knowing your practice’s finances support your goals.

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Ever find yourself staring at the ceiling at 8 PM wondering, “Was that the right intervention?” Or maybe you’re drowning in admin work, questioning if private practice is really the freedom-filled dream everyone said it would be?

In this episode, Gordon sits down with Marie from Private Practice Skills—a therapist, creator, and all-around wise human who gets the real behind-the-scenes of therapy life. We’re diving into the kind of conversations we need to be having: therapist burnout (the sneaky kind), invisible work hours, how outsourcing might save your sanity, and why you don’t have to build your practice like everyone else.

If you’ve ever thought, “Wait… am I doing this right?”—this episode is for you. Marie brings warmth, wisdom, and just the right amount of real talk to help you reconnect with your why and reimagine a practice that actually fits your life.

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Meet Dr. Marie Fang

Dr. Marie Fang is a licensed psychologist in private practice in San Diego, California. Her therapy practice focuses on working with folks often marginalized by their faith community, with an emphasis on supporting the LGBTQ+ community.

She is the creator of Private Practice Skills, a platform teaching therapists how to start and grow a sustainable private practice that aligns with their values while drawing in their favorite clients to work with.

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🎧 Ready to Grow Your Practice Without Losing Your Soul? This Episode’s for You.

In this episode, Gordon sits down with Gary Katz—psychotherapist, group practice owner, and intimacy expert—who’s scaling his business across state lines without sacrificing connection, clinical quality, or his sanity.

Gary opens up about what it really takes to grow a group practice that feels good, not just on paper, but in your body, your calendar, and your team culture. From building tight-knit pods of therapists to letting go of perfection and people-pleasing, this conversation is packed with honest insights and refreshingly human advice.

You’ll learn:

• Why “zero to one” is the scariest (and most emotional) business step
• How Gary structures growth without becoming a therapy mill
• What it looks like to say no with love—and lead with your values
• Whether you're just thinking about hiring or deep in the weeds of leading a team, this episode is your permission slip to do it differently—and do it with heart.

Press play and let’s go.

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Meet Gary Katz

Gary Katz is a psychotherapist and founder of The Center for Intimacy Recovery in New York, focusing on intimacy and relationships. He believes self-intimacy is essential for genuine connection with others. Many develop protective strategies for their hearts that later hinder the intimacy they seek. The Center helps clients overcome these barriers and build deeper connections.

To address healthy sexuality and issues like compulsive behaviors and betrayal trauma, Gary studied at the Modern Sex Therapy Institute, joined the American Association of Sexuality Educators, Counselors and Therapists, and became a Certified Sex Addiction and Partner Trauma Therapist through the International Institute of Trauma and Addiction Professionals.

He has also trained in Sensorimotor Psychotherapy, Accelerated Experiential Dynamic Psychotherapy (AEDP), and EMDR to address trauma stored in the body.

Before his current practice, Gary spent over 20 years as a rabbi.

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Let’s talk about grief. (I know—what a fun little opener, right?)

But hang in there, because Edy Nathan doesn’t talk about grief the way most people do. There’s no clinical detachment or textbook jargon here. Edy speaks from the kind of deep, personal knowing that only comes from living it.

She lost her partner at 27—a heartbreak that didn’t just shatter her world, but reshaped it completely. Instead of stuffing it down or soldiering through, Edy got curious. She studied grief, sat with it, wrote about it, and eventually made it her life’s work. Today, she helps others see grief not as a shadow to avoid, but as a complex, uninvited dance partner we all have to learn to move with.

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Edy Nathan, MA, LCSWR, is an author, public speaker, and licensed therapist. She is an AASECT-certified sex therapist, hypnotherapist, and certified EMDR practitioner with more than 20 years of experience. Edy earned degrees from New York University and Fordham University, with post-graduate training at the Ackerman Institute for Family Therapy. She practices in New York City.

In her expertise as a grief therapist, she interweaves her formal training as a psychotherapist with breathwork, guided imagery, ritual, and storytelling. Trauma, abuse, and grief cause the soul to become imbalanced: The goal of the work is to find emotional calibration or balance to defy the depth of darkness and the grip grief often has on the psyche. She believes that everyone experiences grief throughout their lives. Grief is not just about the death of a loved one, but the losses we experience in life.

Grief is hard to talk about. Edy teaches you to dance with your grief, to know it as a way to know yourself. Whether it is the loss of a loved one, the loss of a limb, or the loss of the life you once knew, it is your soul that offers the answers to relief. An essential element in her practice is to offer clients the chance to combine psychotherapy with a deeper, more spiritual understanding of the self. She is dedicated to helping people understand their grief, cope with the fear and struggle that hold them back, and learn to live fully.

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What if your private practice could be a place where people stop trying to fix themselves—and start actually feeling what’s going on inside?

In this powerful episode, Kerry Thomas pulls back the curtain on her 25-year journey in mental health, sharing how a personal wake-up call challenged everything she thought she knew about therapy, medication, and what it really means to heal.

We talk about the connection between nutrition and mood, why numbing emotions isn’t the answer, and how private practice therapists can stop pathologizing normal human experiences.

This one’s honest, eye-opening, and a little bit rebellious—in the best way. Let’s get into it.

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Meet Kerry Thomas

Kerry Thomas is a holistically based Licensed Professional Counselor with over 20 years of counseling experience in many different settings and with diverse populations. In addition to the traditional approaches often used in cognitive behavioral therapy, Kerry will incorporate tools, practices, and strategies encompassing the totality of the person she is working with that are extremely powerful and often overlooked. After 20 years of work in this arena, it is difficult to imagine an issue that has not crossed her threshold. In your session with Kerry, you will be met with profound kindness and a deep understanding of what it is like to be human. Kerry is the mother of two grown, adult children who are her best friends. In her spare time, she enjoys hiking, exploring the countryside on her motorcycle, growing her own food, and laughing at herself. She most enjoys empowering her clients to take brave steps towards living their most authentic lives.

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Let’s be honest: when someone says “Let’s talk tax law,” most of us want to fake a Wi-Fi outage and run for cover.

But when Julie Herres joins The Practice of Therapy Podcast, you actually want to lean in. Somehow, she manages to make the ever-shifting sands of tax policy sound (dare we say it?) friendly — like a conversation over coffee with a really smart friend who also color-codes her spreadsheets.

So, what’s happening with taxes in 2025?

Buckle up, practice owners, because there’s a whole lot of “maybe” in the air. But Julie’s here to help us wade through the uncertainty without losing our minds — or our deductions.

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Meet Julie Herres

Julie Herres is on a mission to inspire every private practice to be profitable. Over the last several years, that dream has become reality as Julie and her team have helped hundreds of private practice owners take their profit first and gain financial freedom. As the owner of GreenOak Accounting, Julie leads her firm with this goal in mind, providing tax, accounting and Profit First consulting services to private practices across the United States. Julie is also a Certified Profit First Professional, an IRS Enrolled Agent, a speaker and the host of the Therapy For Your Money podcast.

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What if the path to healing trauma isn’t just through talk therapy, but through carefully guided psychedelic experiences?

In this episode of The Practice of Therapy Podcast, I sit down with Dori, an experienced therapist and psychedelic facilitator, who shares her deeply informed perspective on the nuanced, responsible, and transformational use of medicines like ketamine, MDMA, and psilocybin mushrooms. Dori doesn’t just follow trends—she’s been on the frontlines, participating in research, working underground before legalization, and now helping clients access inner healing intelligence in a grounded, therapeutic way.

If you're curious about how psychedelics actually fit into trauma work, when they're appropriate, and why they’re not a one-size-fits-all miracle, this conversation will challenge your thinking and expand your clinical toolkit. Tune in to discover how seasoned therapists like Dori are bridging science, soul, and therapy to help clients heal in ways traditional methods sometimes can’t reach.

Are you ready to explore the real story behind the hype? Let’s dive in.

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Meet Dori Lewis

Dori Lewis, MA, MEd, LPC-S, is a co-founder of Elemental Psychedelics and the owner-operator of Reflective Healing in Fort Collins, CO—a psychotherapy group practice that specializes in psychedelic therapy using ketamine, integration therapy, transpersonal psychotherapy, and clinical supervision.

With over a decade of clinical experience, Dori blends transpersonal psychology, depth work, and psychedelic-assisted therapy within a model that centers the therapeutic relationship. To date, she has stewarded nearly 100 ketamine therapy sessions and countless more individual and group ceremonies. She has also been trained and mentored in shamanic ritual, which has helped her bridge traditional counseling practice with transpersonal and existential realms—spaces that can hold incredible meaning and connection for clients.

As an educator and trainer, Dori has delivered numerous talks to the professional psychedelic community through the Nowak Society and other guest lectures. In 2022, she spoke on the importance of psychedelic facilitator ethics through the lens of existential shadow work as a main stage speaker at the Emergence Festival. She co-teaches introductory psychedelic therapy workshops and served as a core lead faculty member with the Psychedelic Research and Training Institute (PRATI) from 2020 to 2023, where she specialized in training new and experienced clinicians on topics like set and setting, ethical ceremony, cultural appropriation in spiritual practices, and ritual in ketamine-assisted psychotherapy.

As interest in psychedelic medicine grows, Dori believes it is the responsibility of those with a voice in professional and psychedelic communities to stay informed—and to intercept and challenge disinformation and questionable ethical practices emerging in the public arena.

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