In this episode of The Procurement Software Podcast, James Meads is joined by Gregory Vider and Markus Sinz, co-founders of apadua, recorded live at their Indirect Procurement Days event near Frankfurt, Germany.

Drawing on their backgrounds as procurement practitioners and founders, Gregory and Markus share a grounded, thoughtful perspective on what AI really means for procurement. Rather than hype or job-replacement narratives, the discussion focuses on AI as an enabler that amplifies human capability, improves decision-making, and removes low-value administrative work.

The conversation explores apadua’s journey from a conventional sourcing platform to rebuilding an AI-native product from scratch, driven by deep user research rather than surface-level feature injection. James and the apadua team unpack why “human in the loop” remains critical, how procurement roles may shift towards more generalist and strategic profiles, and why differentiation in an AI-first world will come from people, not models.

Also discussed in this episode:

1. How to tell real AI capability from marketing noise
2. Why procurement adoption of AI will be gradual, not sudden
3. The future size and shape of procurement teams
4. Why apadua pursued ISO 27001 and what buyers should ask about cybersecurity

A reflective, pragmatic conversation on the future of procurement in an AI-enabled world.

[00:00] Podcast introduction and episode setup

[01:05] Final episode of 2025 and IPD event context

[02:45] Introduction to Gregory Vider and Markus Sinz from apadua

[03:20] Why AI creates confusion in procurement teams

[04:25] How to tell real AI capability from marketing hype

[05:45] AI as an enabler, human-in-the-loop vs automation

[12:15] Rebuilding apadua as an AI-native procurement platform

[15:50] How AI will reshape procurement roles and skill sets

[27:40] The future size and structure of procurement teams

[33:00] Cybersecurity, ISO 27001, and what buyers should ask

And that wraps up another episode of The Procurement Software Podcast!

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1. Connect with Gregory Vider on LinkedIn and Markus Sinz on LinkedIn
2. Check out apadua
3. Download our Tech Map for Enterprise
4. Download our

In this episode of The Procurement Software Podcast, James Meads welcomes Matthew Spencer, procurement veteran and founder of FlockScore, a newly launched startup rethinking how supplier performance is captured and shared across industrial supply chains.

Matthew brings a rare perspective as a procurement practitioner-turned-founder, having led SRM and sustainability at Bekaert Group before identifying a critical market gap: supplier scorecards were siloed, static, and lacked ecosystem-level insight. FlockScore aims to change that, offering a collaborative, AI-powered model for tracking supplier performance.

We unpack how FlockScore’s “open contribute-to-access” model lets procurement teams upload anonymised supplier performance data in exchange for aggregated, comparative insights. Matthew explains how AI agents enrich these insights by scanning public sources for issues like recalls, shutdowns, or delivery disruptions, without exposing contributor identity.

Also discussed in this episode:

1. Why supplier performance often takes a backseat to compliance and innovation
2. The limits of traditional scorecards and why category-specific metrics matter
3. How FlockScore enhances, not replaces existing SRM and S2P systems
4. Why soft supplier feedback from stakeholders should be part of every scorecard
5. What makes FlockScore different from review platforms and peer benchmarking
6. A fascinating deep dive into how collective intelligence and AI are reshaping supplier evaluation, built for procurement, by procurement.

[00:01] Intro to Matthew Spencer, FlockScore

[01:14] Matthew’s background

[02:18] FlockScore analogy

[03:44] The “aha” moment and data gap externally

[06:02] Why supplier performance management is underrated today

[11:27] Engaging stakeholders effectively

[13:04] Open contribute-to-access model and credits

[18:50] FlockScore’s AI and difference to traditional tools offerings

[23:37] Cultural and category differences, flexible taxonomy and future vision for procurement

And that wraps up another episode of The Procurement Software Podcast!

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If you want to learn more about Procurement Software, check out the useful links below.

1. Connect with Matthew Spencer on LinkedIn
2. Check out FlockScore
3. Download our Tech Map for Enterprise
4. Download our Tech Map for Mid-Market
5. Download our Tech Map for SMEs
6. Find your perfect procurement tech solution in our Software Finder app
7. Sign up for the Entproc Newsletter
8. Book an Intro Call and let’s talk all things Digital Procurement!

In this episode of The Procurement Software Podcast, James Meads is joined by Gaurav Sharma, Head of Procurement Centre of Excellence at MTN, with a background that uniquely combines procurement expertise and data science.

We explore how Gaurav’s journey from category manager to leading digital transformation has shaped his view on procurement technology, user adoption, and the need for more practical, cost-effective solutions. Alongside his corporate role, he introduces his side project, SuperNegotiate, designed to simplify sourcing processes and enable tool-less digitisation for procurement newcomers.

Gaurav shares why many e-sourcing tools fall short of addressing real category manager needs, focusing instead on vanity features. He explains how AI and machine learning are already transforming sourcing, paving the way for outcome-based pricing models and moving procurement away from traditional RFPs.

Other topics covered include:

1. Why data science skills are becoming essential in procurement
2. How current tools fail to deliver true user-centric functionality
3. The growing demand for tech-savvy procurement professionals
4. Why outcome-based pricing could reshape procurement tech contracts
5. How Super Negotiate offers a lightweight entry point for digital procurement

A must-listen for anyone interested in the next generation of procurement technology and the evolving skill sets that will define future teams.

[[00:00] Introduction to Gaurav Sharma and His Unique Skills

[01:14] Journey from procurement to data science

[04:34] The future of procurement skills and technology

[08:55] Critiquing procurement tech and vanity features

[13:56] In-house solutions vs. traditional procurement tools

[21:11] Super Negotiate: a new approach to sourcing

[30:11] The future roles of procurement teams

And that wraps up another episode of The Procurement Software Podcast!

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We'll be back at the same time next month, so see you there.

If you want to learn more about Procurement Software, check out the useful links below.

1. Connect with Gaurav Sharma on LinkedIn
2. Check out Supernegotiate
3. Download our Tech Map for Enterprise
4. Download our Tech Map for Mid-Market
5. Download our Tech Map for SMEs
6. Find your perfect procurement tech solution in our Software Finder app
7. Sign up for the Procurement Software Newsletter
8. Book an Intro Call and let’s talk all things Digital Procurement!
9. Connect with James on LinkedIn

In this episode of The Procurement Software Podcast, James Meads is joined by Oscar Fernandez, founder of ProCREWment and former Principal Procurement at mobility-as-a-service (MaaS) company FreeNow.

We dive into a compelling case study on building an effective procurement process using existing tools, without splurging on expensive enterprise suites.

Oscar shares how his small procurement team transformed chaos into clarity by leveraging Jira, Workato, and Yooz to automate intake-to-PO, approvals, and even contract renewals. This episode is a blueprint for procurement leaders operating in fast-growth environments with tight budgets and limited resources.

You’ll hear how Oscar turned Jira—typically used for IT support—into a fully functional procurement intake and requisition system, integrated with finance and legal workflows. Plus, why choosing a standalone e-sourcing tool like DeepStream delivered faster ROI than investing in an all-in-one platform.

Other topics covered include:

1. Why Jira became the backbone of their intake and approval flows
2. Using Workato to link tools and automate tasks across systems
3. How they structured parallel approvals to speed up decision-making
4. Automating contract renewals and spend visibility with Atlassian modules
5. Why DeepStream was the right sourcing tool for their needs
6. Tips for prioritising digitisation based on procurement maturity

A must-listen for procurement professionals seeking practical, flexible solutions to scale procurement operations.

[01:46] Meet Oscar Fernandez, his procurement journey

[03:45] Starting with manual-heavy processes at FreeNow

[05:43] Early chaos: approvals and email overload

[07:26] Spotting inefficiencies and team scaling challenges

[10:12] Cost barriers to adopting full suites

[13:18] Jira as a no-code intake and requisition tool

[17:47] Automating approvals and connecting tools with Workato

[23:45] Choosing e-sourcing over analytics or SRM

[27:16] Why DeepStream fit their sourcing needs

[32:09] Advice for procurement leads with limited budget

[33:22] About ProCREWment—Oscar’s consultancy initiative

And that wraps up another episode of The Procurement Software Podcast!

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We'll be back at the same time next month, so see you there.

If you want to learn more about Procurement Software, check out the useful links below.

1. Connect with Oscar Fernández on LinkedIn
2. Check out ProCREWment
3. Download our Tech Map for Enterprise
4. Download our Tech Map for Mid-Market
5. Download our Tech Map for SMEs
6. Find your perfect procurement tech solution in our Software Finder app
7. Sign up for the Procurement Software Newsletter

In this episode of The Procurement Software Podcast, James Meads welcomes Brajan Gatys, Procurement Operations Lead at Personio, to explore how lean procurement teams can build powerful systems without specialist procurement tech.

Recorded after James and Brajan met in person at the Wolf Pack Summit in New York, this episode is a masterclass in how low-code and no-code platforms can transform procurement operations at scale.

Brajan walks us through how Personio uses tools like Airtable, Make, and Jira to manage intake, automate purchasing workflows, and even parse contracts with LLMs, all without being locked into a single vendor. Instead of buying off-the-shelf procurement suites, his team has built over 250 automations tailored to their exact needs.

You’ll learn why agility, vendor flexibility, and team-wide tech fluency have been core to Personio’s success, and how other teams can adopt a similar mindset.

Other topics covered include:

1. Avoiding traditional P2P and orchestration suites in favour of low-code tools
2. Using Airtable as a central procurement database and workflow engine
3. How they integrate with Ironclad (CLM) and Workday (ERP system)
4. Automating contract parsing and clause extraction with AI
5. Building internal SRM scoring models based on vendor risk and importance
6. Creating a culture that blends procurement expertise with tech-savviness

A must-listen for tech-savvy procurement teams looking to do more with less.

[01:05] Meet Brajan Gatys, Personio

[03:30] Why they chose low-code over SaaS

[07:40] Airtable as the procurement engine

[10:20] Automating POs and vendor onboarding

[14:00] Sourcing and async vendor collaboration

[18:00] Contracts, Ironclad, and clause extraction

[22:30] SRM scoring and supplier risk

[27:00] Culture, mindset, and learning low-code

[32:00] Time-saving tips and breaking the “no capacity” cycle

And that wraps up another episode of The Procurement Software Podcast!

Thanks again for listening, and do please leave us a review on Apple Podcasts or rate us on Spotify. Every one helps!

We'll be back at the same time next month, so see you there.

If you want to learn more about Procurement Software, check out the useful links below.

1. Connect with Brajan Gatys on LinkedIn
2. Check out Personio
3. Download our Tech Map for Enterprise
4. Download our Tech Map for Mid-Market
5. Download our Tech Map for SMEs
6. Find your perfect procurement tech solution in our Software Finder app
7. Sign up for the Procurement Software Newsletter
8. Book an Intro Call and let’s talk all things Digital Procurement!
9. Connect with...

In this episode of The Procurement Software Podcast, James Meads sits down in person with Harry Wilde, co-founder of Cotiss, a source-to-contract platform purpose-built for regulated industries.

Recorded live at the Wolfpack Summit in New York, it’s a rare face-to-face conversation packed with insight, humour, and honest reflections on building procurement tech for complex sourcing needs.

They unpack how Cotiss helps procurement teams running high-stakes, non-price-driven RFPs—think airports buying hovercrafts or telcos procuring fibre optic cable, by simplifying evaluation, driving internal engagement, and replacing spreadsheets with intuitive tools.

The conversation also explores how Harry and his co-founders spotted a global gap in the market for mid-sized, heavily regulated organisations still stuck with Excel and email, and decided to build a tool that balances ease of use with just enough customisation.

Other topics covered include:

1. Why big, “gnarly” RFPs demand more than just basic e-sourcing tools
2. What good procurement planning should look like
3. How AI should be applied to solve real problems—not just add hype
4. Cotiss’s US go-to-market strategy and learnings from New Zealand
5. Why fast implementation cycles matter for small procurement teams

A must-listen for procurement leaders, founders, and anyone navigating sourcing in complex, regulated environments.

[01:20] Guest introduction: Harry Wilde

[04:30] Sourcing in regulated industries

[07:10] What makes Cotiss different

[10:20] Founding story & background

[14:30] Expanding into the US market

[18:10] Best practice sourcing process

[22:00] Evaluation tools & impact

[26:10] AI use in sourcing tools

[30:00] Implementation & where to learn more

And that wraps up another episode of The Procurement Software Podcast!

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We'll be back at the same time next month, so see you there.

If you want to learn more about Procurement Software, check out the useful links below.

1. Connect with Harry Wilde on LinkedIn
2. Check out COTISS
3. Download our Tech Map for Enterprise
4. Download our Tech Map for Mid-Market
5. Download our Tech Map for SMEs
6. Find your perfect procurement tech solution in our Software Finder app
7. Sign up for the Procurement Software Newsletter
8. Book an Intro Call and let’s talk all things Digital Procurement!
9. Connect with James on LinkedIn

In this episode of The Procurement Software Podcast, Raphael, co-founder and CEO of Growin.Co interviews your usual host, James Meads, alongside Linkana co-founder Leo Cavalcanti. It's a lively and forward-looking discussion about the next wave of digital transformation in procurement.

They explore how AI, agentic automation, and no-code tools are disrupting traditional approaches—especially for mid-market businesses looking to leapfrog outdated ERP systems and legacy S2P suites.

The conversation dives into how AI is already being used in supplier onboarding, document validation, and spend analytics. James and Leo also reflect on whether SaaS UIs will soon be replaced by agent-driven interfaces—and the strategic decisions procurement tech founders must now make.

Other topics covered include:

1. Why mid-sized firms are well-placed to leapfrog legacy systems
2. The rise of no-code tools and what they mean for small teams
3. Moving from structured to unstructured data with AI
4. The challenge of understanding real customer problems
5. Insights into the emerging Latin American procurement tech scene

A must-listen for procurement professionals, founders, and anyone curious about the future of digital procurement.

[00:35] Guest introductions: James Meads & Leo Cavalcanti

[03:15] Why procurement needs better tech—and where mid-market firms fit in

[07:42] How AI is changing supplier onboarding and document validation

[11:20] The rise of no-code tools and what they mean for smaller businesses

[16:05] Is the SaaS UI dead? Enter: agentic automation

[20:51] Why defining the problem is more important than choosing the solution

[26:34] Common buyer mistakes when scoping procurement tech

[30:12] Challenges and opportunities in the LatAm procurement tech ecosystem

[34:45] Advice for founders building in procurement today

And that wraps up another episode of The Procurement Software Podcast!

Thanks again for listening, and do please leave us a review on Apple Podcasts or rate us on Spotify. Every one helps!

We'll be back at the same time next month, so see you there.

If you want to learn more about Procurement Software, check out the useful links below.

1. Connect with Raphael Traticoski
2. Check out Growin.Co
3. Connect with Leo Cavalcanti
4. Check out Linkana
5. Download our Tech Map for Enterprise
6. Download our Tech Map for Mid-Market
7. Download our Tech Map for SMEs
8. Find your perfect procurement tech solution in our Software Finder app
9. Sign up for the Procurement Software Newsletter
10. Book an Intro...

In this episode of the Procurement Software Podcast, host James discusses the critical topic of cybersecurity in procurement with expert Jano Bermudes from CyXcel.

They explore the importance of cybersecurity in vendor selection, the regulatory landscape, and the necessary precautions organisations must take to protect their data.

The conversation covers security questions procurement professionals should ask when evaluating software vendors, the importance of security certifications like ISO 27001 and SOC 2, and how companies—big and small—can mitigate cyber risks in their supply chains.

Jano shares insights into regulatory requirements such as GDPR and DORA, the complexities of supplier compliance, and the critical contract clauses buyers should insist on to protect their businesses.

Other topics covered include:

1. How small businesses can enhance their cybersecurity approach
2. Common pitfalls in cloud software security assurances
3. Why due diligence and ongoing monitoring are essential
4. Negotiating limitation of liability clauses in contracts

[00:48] Guest introduction: Jano Bermudes

[02:02] Key cybersecurity questions

[07:53] Important regulations & compliance

[11:44] Cloud security misconceptions

[14:29] Security certifications explained

[19:25] Due diligence importance

[24:16] Essential contract clauses

[30:00] Negotiating liability limits

[34:56] Where to learn more

And that wraps up another episode of The Procurement Software Podcast!

Thanks again for listening, and do please leave us a review on Apple Podcasts or rate us on Spotify. Every one helps!

We'll be back at the same time next month, so see you there.

If you want to learn more about Procurement Software, check out the useful links below.

1. Connect with Jano Bermudes on LinkedIn
2. Check out CyXcel
3. Download our Tech Map for Enterprise
4. Download our Tech Map for Mid-Market
5. Download our Tech Map for SMEs
6. Find your perfect procurement tech solution in our Software Finder app
7. Sign up for the Procurement Software Newsletter
8. Book an Intro Call and let’s talk all things Digital Procurement!
9. Connect with James on LinkedIn